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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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changer i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i alliance your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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bespoke radio

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how you doing today's wednesday november

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28 2018.

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332 days into the new year just 33 days

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left we're almost done

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let's get 2018 behind us can't wait for

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2019 it's going to be amazing

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kg r a the planets

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i am your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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very excited about tonight

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scott walter is back

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and we're going to discuss the lost

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templar journals of prince henry

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sinclair and some other stuff too as

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well you know what happens when scott is

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tomorrow night's another fader night

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with teresa and eris

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and divine frequency on the airwaves

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followed by open lines all night long

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the cow that's pretty cool with the uh

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kind of light on the dancers tonight

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what's going on folks what's going on

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it's uh let's let's just get straight to

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it there's a lot to do tonight

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scott is here and

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uh one of the great things about having

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we're going to do just that also

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you can come join us for the 2019

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the l a x hilton that's right at lax at

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get this show cracking happy birthday to

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today judd nelson

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judd nelson is 58 years old and of

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course you know why he makes

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he makes the list he makes the list

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because he played john bender

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judd nelson also today randy newman is

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75 years old randy newman is

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of the reason why i moved to los angeles

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randy newman today is 75 years old

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today is 55. now i know what you're

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thinking you're going okay jimmy john

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stewart's here because of the daily show

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he's a funny guy no that's not why jon

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stewart makes the list jon stewart makes

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he played oh that was the thing

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uh a professor edward furlong

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the actor's name in terminator the kid

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wasn't he edward furlong

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is that some kind of play is that some

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faculty it was just a great role

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all right now why why is that

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do you find invisible when i say because

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that's funny what was that that was uh

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was that history of the world is that

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i believe so our dead guy's birthday

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anna nicole smith 1967 to 2007 died at

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the age of 39

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married billionaire j howard marshall in

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she starred in the anna nicole uh show

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playmate of the year on february 8 2007

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seminole hard rock hotel and casino in

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no illegal drugs were found in her

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ativan cerex valium and six other

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some say it was foul play there you go

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happy birthday anna nicole smith on the

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stage in history otd

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1994

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serial killer jeffrey dahmer

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serving 15 consecutive life sentences

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is beaten to death

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by a fellow inmate

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i was like what but then again you kind

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of expected that to happen so there you

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go fader fact okay now

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when it comes to fader facts that's a

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great picture there mark where'd you get

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say hi

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i can't read it but there's the crew

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that's the crew right there that's uh

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that's gonna get a retweet

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um fader fact

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are you ready

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i did not know this

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a donkey

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can see all four of its feet

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at all times

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that's right maybe i need to repeat that

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if you didn't get it

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a donkey

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can see all four of its feet

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you know i guess it's because the eye

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right like they stick so i don't know

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and that is your favorite fact tonight

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scott walter is here he's back we're

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going to be discussing well we've got

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two actual stories tonight or two

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two things that what that we're going to

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weave together that don't seem connected

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at first but they are and it's all about

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the knights templar so that's what we're

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gonna do tonight we're gonna talk about

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the lost templar journals of prince

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henry sinclair who is henry sinclair

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we're gonna get to all of that tonight

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tomorrow night's another fader night

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with teresa yanaris and divine frequency

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on the airwaves followed by open lines

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all night long all right let me hit this

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river moon coffee you know i've got a

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few traditions here

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right i've got a few traditions and one

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of them i was telling rita i'm just

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about done with the bunker camp

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i don't i don't want to do it anymore

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i don't i i just don't

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i i like uh i like when i go over to

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host coast to coast because

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there's no camera staring at me you know

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i think we're gonna lose the bunker cam

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are you gonna be upset

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i mean what what do you get out of the

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bunker cam

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you know looking at one guy talking on a

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microphone for three hours i mean how

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much entertainment is that is that worth

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anything i don't know i don't know i'm

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just i think i'm about done with it the

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other night when the pucker cam went

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down

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and and i was able to just sit in here

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and do my thing and i'd you know it's

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just something about that just you know

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i don't know uh

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let's see but you have you have this

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really nice moon i do not i have no tan

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i have no tan okay

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last night i talked about the

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possibility of the end of

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facebook and well at least the

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version of facebook that we see today

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and also to that end you know google as

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well you know the two are complete

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virtual monopolies if you think about it

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with a far too much power you know

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amazon is getting there too as well

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you know but

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but i completely embrace the technology

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and i always have i'm a technology geek

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i love it man from the very beginning

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my first black and white laptop and i

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had lotus mail and i was able to go and

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have email and then you know we're

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talking about 1994

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oh man it was just i you know and pcmcia

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cards and

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and finally got a you know i had a

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floppy drive at first and then my next

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computer got a color screen i think i

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got a cd-rom drive and

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oh man it was just those were glorious

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days technology and and things and

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dongles and

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cables and

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it's new software and mozilla and just

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things you know it was just exciting

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exciting times

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and i've always embraced the technology

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and i'll i'll never change look what

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this show is right it's about the

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technology but you see here's the thing

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for all of the good things

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that we get

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from facebook and in google and social

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media such as you know connecting with

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friends right you have an almost

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unlimited library of knowledge you have

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effective advertising that is you know

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actually pretty cool you've got delivery

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and logistics for shopping you've got

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streaming entertainment and so much more

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right and the development of that future

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tech positive engineering it seems to be

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the focus and that part of it is good

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i get it

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i really do

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but there's something that really

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bothers me

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and it's that for all of the genuine

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focus on personal individual and

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corporate invention there seems to be an

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absolute ignorance towards fake news

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right trolling

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hate speech

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right negative blogs

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polarization just the extremes of

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everything

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facebook and other social sites which

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started off to bring us all together

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today they're causing such severe

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behavior

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loneliness bitterness sadness hate

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all in a quest for more likes and

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friends and followers and subs and

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clicks and views

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and now we have bullies and trolls

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follow you wherever you go you know

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uh it just doesn't matter who you are

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you could be somebody on facebook with

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50 friends and you've got people

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trolling you right

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making your life miserable

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the news follows you the negativity

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follows you wherever you go you sign off

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on a computer and it's following on your

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phone or a tablet you know it just it

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never escapes you it's just always there

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right the cycle never ends it doesn't

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break

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it it's a continuous thing that feeds

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itself

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and it weighs people down it's changing

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the social fabric of us

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and i'm seriously concerned

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that these great tech giants out there

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have not learned anything from these

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mistakes or that they care about it

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the negative sides of their powerful

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social platforms they don't care

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they don't

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i remember many years ago when i saw

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my first comment from somebody that i

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knew and this was i'm going back

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let's i'm going back like

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eight or nine years

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you know that that long ago

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and i and i see this first negative

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comment from somebody that is a friend

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somebody that i worked somebody that i

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knew right well

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and it was just so out of character for

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this person that i i genuinely felt was

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just a nice

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person right

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but the comment was really bad and

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really negative

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and it wasn't at me it was just in a

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thread on facebook and i thought to

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myself at that time

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facebook is

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not going to put up with this

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you know it was like the first time i

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saw something like that like a troll

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like a bully like a just just

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and i thought there's no way right well

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facebook did put up with it

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and it was just the beginning and i

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thought when i saw that

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um that if i had typed the same thing

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right if i had just gone off the rails

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which i never have by the way but

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if i had just gone off the rails that i

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you know i would get some message

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facebook has terminated your account you

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know that they wouldn't allow this kind

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of stuff to happen

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but that was the beginning

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it was the beginning and things have

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just gone off the rails ever since now

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we can look at this in one of two ways

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either

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facebook

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didn't know about their impact

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right they didn't know

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what they would do to society

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they didn't know or

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they did know and they wanted to use it

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to make more money and

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be of service to the darker corners of

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the world who need it

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it's it's either or

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and when we try to figure this out one

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thing is very clear

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to me

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nobody in silicon valley

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answer for it they don't want to admit

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it and they certainly don't want to

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but here's the really scary part

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for me

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there are some

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very clever

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dark and nasty people out there who

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understand the vile part of social

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networks and their impact on the masses

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they get it they get it whether facebook

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and and everybody else out there that

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includes twitter and

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snapchat

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instagram whatever you wanna you know

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whatever

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whether they get it or not

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other people do

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dark

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they don't want facebook fixed or

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twitter youtube they don't

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they don't want any of it fixed actually

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but i have a solution

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i always do right

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dan betts

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dan i don't know you but that is one of

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the best tweets i've ever seen

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i have a solution

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and it's a simple one

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one that we all grew up with and it

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works

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first

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is what you do

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now now i need you to just go with me

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we need to create

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a facebook two

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right

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facebook two

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voluntarily

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no problem doesn't matter

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right

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but at facebook two

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you can do whatever you want

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that's right

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and you know that going in

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and so does everybody else trolls

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control trolls

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bullies can be bullying bullies

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all of the hate and extremism you can

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handle

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you can share some fake news while

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you're there you get to live it up

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you get caught violating the terms of

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community conduct on any social media

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platform

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and you get sent

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to facebook too

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right

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you know how it is man you know you're

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in eighth grade and you show up in class

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and that one kid that was just causing

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trouble and his seat is empty he's like

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where'd he go

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he's in the special school

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really

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you know and you will do anything to get

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back

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to society

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you do you'll be so nice you'll do

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anything

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right

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and that's that that's what we need we

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need a facebook too

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that's right

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and if that is if that is your goal to

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just be

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negative to spread

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fake news or to bully people or

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extremism if that's what you really want

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go to where you can do it nobody's going

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to care and if you really want to troll

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go troll another troll

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there you go just go and do it go hang

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out with others

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go and hang out with your kind

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right and leave us alone

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right

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and and get banished

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and you don't get a second chance

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you don't

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you get six months at facebook two and

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when you come out you're going to be a

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changed person

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yeah

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does it sound harsh

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not really

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we've been doing it for years

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is it censorship or a freedom of speech

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is issue no it's not not at all

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because over at facebook too you're free

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to say or do whatever you want 24 7.

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it's open all night

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it's a it's an easy and very simple

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thing to do but

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it'll never happen

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facebook and all of the other social

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networks could clean up everything

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virtually overnight seriously they could

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if you think about it if they care if

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they really wanted to

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all of this could be fixed there where

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there would be no trolling there would

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be no extreme there would be no hate

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speed there would be fake news there

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wouldn't be there wouldn't be any of

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this

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but they don't want to do it

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they don't want a safe fun cool place

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for our friends and family and our

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children to hang out they really don't

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they don't

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the powers out there want you divided

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they want you pissed off they want you

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angry they want you confused full of

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disinformation seriously

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and that is the truth

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otherwise they would do something about

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it

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honestly

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when was the last time

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one of the tech giants

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made you feel happy

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what was the last time that happened

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when was the last time they made you

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feel good about yourself

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right that's the world we are in today

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now you're probably asking yourself that

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this kind of commentary doesn't have a

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place on fade to black a show about ufos

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and time travel in the unexplained

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conspiracies

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well the answer is actually very simple

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we've been reading

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we've been watching

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science fiction

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about our current world today for over a

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hundred years

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that's right and at one time it was fun

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because there was no way that it could

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ever happen

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the tech big brother right the machine

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controlling us that was all fantasy

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but

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it is here and it is real

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now tonight our guest is scott walter

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and we're going to be talking about the

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knights templar

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and a part of our history that wasn't

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supposed to be real

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think about that

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the the days that we live today

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were supposed to be fantasy they weren't

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supposed to happen and it was fun and it

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was games and it was tra la la

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today

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man man man

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we're living it

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we were warned we knew this could happen

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and now it's here

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for real

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i'm i'm gonna say this in the most

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direct way that i can

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if silicon valley if the tech giants

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cared

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they would fix it

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they would fix all of it all of it

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just

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like that

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all of the energy that they spend on

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everything else and

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they sure got that figured out they got

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the engineers to to do that they got the

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focus groups

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think about that for a second

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it's easy to do

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they've got the manpower and the money

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and this is fade to black that's right

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tonight it's scott walter so right now

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i'm going to take a break why do i need

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to take a break because while i am gone

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i need to order some stuff from amazon

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that's right

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i need some deliveries for tomorrow

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and uh then i'm gonna head over to uh

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facebook and block me some trolls

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it's fade to black i'm your host jimmy

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that's right bespoke radio for the

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masses on the game changer network

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and kgra

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the planet i'll be right back with our

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guest scott walter stay with me

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church tonight scott

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walter is here

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we know him of course

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he's an author but he was also the host

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of history channels america on earth one

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of my favorite series

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he's responsible for the independent

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petrographic analysis testing laboratory

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where the kensington runestone was

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brought in for investigation in 2000

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been a principal photographer

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in more than 5 000 investigations

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throughout the united states canada and

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puerto rico and including the evaluation

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of fire damage concrete at the pentagon

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following the attacks of september 11

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2001 tonight

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we are going to discuss the lost templar

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journals of prince henry sinclair i

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would like to welcome back the one and

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only

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scott walter scott how are you man

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i'm doing great jimmy how are you hi you

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know it's always great to hear your

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voice and this is the thing scott i'm

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going to start off right here right now

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oh

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you

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the truth

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and sometimes you ruffle feathers uh you

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anger people but that is what you do

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uh but with that comes criticism

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um but yeah do you get used to it

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well i think you get used to it to a

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point i mean i think

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i i don't think people you know people

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don't want to be criticized i don't like

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to be criticized although i have to

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admit sometimes

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sometimes i bring things on myself and

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you know as you said sometimes my style

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doesn't work for people and

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you know humans are emotional creatures

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we all are and you know that emotions

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sometimes get in the way of

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delivering a message or receiving a

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message and

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and you know sometimes the way you

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portray something or you think you're

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portraying something someone isn't

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receiving it the way you you're

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delivering it and

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that's just part of the human condition

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and

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i think um you know some people

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love my style some people are

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indifferent to it some people don't like

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it at all and

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you know i all i can do is just

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be who i am and and and

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say what i believe the truth to be

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and

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you know say when i when i don't know i

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mean i think that's just as important as

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saying what i believe to be the truth

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there's there's always a time you gotta

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say i don't know and

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some people don't like to do i don't

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like to do that but if it's if it's

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appropriate then i'll do it

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and um but some people just have a tough

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time

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hearing the truth if it's not what they

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believe that's right that's right they

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thought it was that's right that's right

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it's amazing to me how people hear what

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they want to hear a few years ago

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i i i flew back east my brother got

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married right i'm you know one you know

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one of the best men

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and i'm in the hotel room

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uh and

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i i i take out my laptop

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and

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reading literally a line by line

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analysis

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00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,119
of our entire two and a half hour

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interview

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really yes and and and and and the

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criticism i mean breaking it apart but

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this is the thing i i'm reading it

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and i'm thinking to myself exactly what

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you just said scott did they even

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hear the same show

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what what how how can this be the exact

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opposite of everything that was said

851
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,359
i i i just don't get it people are gonna

852
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,800
hear what they want i know exactly what

853
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,880
you're talking about you know you i run

854
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:50,240
a blog right

855
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:51,119
and

856
00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,440
that are supporters people that have

857
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:57,440
questions people

858
00:36:02,870 --> 00:35:59,040
but

859
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:02,880
it seems to me that i got trolls on

860
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,720
there they don't want to tell me who

861
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,560
they are they come on as anonymous so

862
00:36:10,870 --> 00:36:08,720
they make up some bs name

863
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,880
and they just come on to troll and they

864
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,720
play this this cute little game of

865
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,280
gotcha they try to you know may ask some

866
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:17,760
circular question to get you to say

867
00:36:21,910 --> 00:36:20,320
something that's not quite accurate i

868
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,920
mean if you don't

869
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,160
put the dot in a sentence they nail you

870
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,640
on it and it's just this creepy little

871
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:28,640
game that they play and it's annoying as

872
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:29,440
hell

873
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,640
but

874
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,480
you know it's just it's just again it's

875
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,640
just how people are but

876
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:36,240
um i don't know if we're ever going to

877
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,520
change that

878
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:39,119
i just

879
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:41,280
i shut it down as soon as it starts to

880
00:36:44,790 --> 00:36:43,280
get stupid and unproductive

881
00:36:47,349 --> 00:36:44,800
well now i don't know what else you can

882
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:47,359
do no there there's nothing so with that

883
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:50,720
let's just start talking

884
00:36:56,710 --> 00:36:54,079
bring it on see okay this is uh this is

885
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:56,720
what i find most interesting about life

886
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,240
is that the more that i research the

887
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,240
more that i interview the more shows

888
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,960
that i do and and everything in my

889
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:07,200
little world my little bubble

890
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:11,280
i find out that we we know nothing right

891
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:14,480
or at least what we've been told is not

892
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,160
the truth and we are left to try to go

893
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:20,720
and unravel this thing ourselves which

894
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:23,119
is exactly what you've been doing

895
00:37:27,430 --> 00:37:25,440
now in in a very

896
00:37:29,829 --> 00:37:27,440
basic sense

897
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:29,839
we have all been taught since we were

898
00:37:35,589 --> 00:37:32,800
like three going to school

899
00:37:38,190 --> 00:37:35,599
christopher columbus 1492 sailed across

900
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,200
the ocean blue right okay so we're

901
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,800
indoctrinated right and that is that

902
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:42,400
that is it that's the beginning of

903
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:43,440
everything

904
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,280
clearly scott that is not the case

905
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:49,440
right and that's that's where we need to

906
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:52,000
start tonight

907
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:54,480
no that's not the case and and i i don't

908
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:58,320
think anybody who's really spent even

909
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,400
five minutes on the internet or has been

910
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,160
paying any attention at all believes

911
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,800
that and you know let's let's be let's

912
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:07,520
be honest and say that the narrative is

913
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,480
slowly but surely finally changing i

914
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,960
mean lonzo meadows has really

915
00:38:18,550 --> 00:38:14,000
um

916
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,560
bottle uh bubble and it's it's it's not

917
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:20,720
going to be blown up again it's done

918
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:22,400
and i mean it's still

919
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,280
slowly but surely being accepted

920
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:27,200
um

921
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:28,240
in in

922
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:30,079
in various places i don't even know what

923
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,359
to call these these entities anymore but

924
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,119
that is changing and i think people

925
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:37,200
realize now that the columbus thing was

926
00:38:40,870 --> 00:38:38,560
was bs

927
00:38:42,870 --> 00:38:40,880
um but it was done for a reason uh for

928
00:38:45,270 --> 00:38:42,880
political reasons for religious reasons

929
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:45,280
and for a while it served the purpose

930
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:47,040
that certain people wanted it to serve

931
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:49,599
but that's not what happened and

932
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,800
um

933
00:38:55,109 --> 00:38:52,880
you know what i've been focusing on it

934
00:38:57,990 --> 00:38:55,119
started with the runestone and it led me

935
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,000
directly to the knights templar and

936
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:00,240
to them and nobody else but them and and

937
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,359
quite frankly when i look back now

938
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:05,680
i i i just say to myself how the hell

939
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:08,640
did people not see that and i know when

940
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:10,640
i say what i'm about to say jimmy this

941
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:11,839
is not

942
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,640
uh

943
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:14,160
you know i'm not trying to be cute i'm

944
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:16,079
not trying to be disingenuous i'm

945
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,599
telling you the truth i'm not the

946
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,240
brightest guy in the world at all i'm

947
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,320
reasonably smart but there are a lot of

948
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,400
people that i i've met and i know that

949
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,400
are a lot smarter than me

950
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:28,640
why is it that

951
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:30,560
other people didn't see this

952
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,040
i i i just don't

953
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:36,000
the only people at that time in 1362

954
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:37,440
that had the money the means the

955
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,040
motivation

956
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:40,960
um there's nobody else

957
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:43,599
and i just don't understand how

958
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,680
i could be the only person

959
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,000
at least in my world that i interacted

960
00:39:52,630 --> 00:39:50,240
with that could see that and it just

961
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:52,640
mystifies me to this day

962
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:54,560
now you just mentioned

963
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:56,640
yeah it's that that's actually a good

964
00:40:01,510 --> 00:39:59,839
place to start uh 1362. i just mentioned

965
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:01,520
1492.

966
00:40:05,790 --> 00:40:04,480
so we can do the simple math right here

967
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:05,800
um

968
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:09,520
1362. uh we've got two different

969
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:10,560
uh

970
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:16,000
experiences tonight that we're going to

971
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:17,359
weave together

972
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:18,560
um right

973
00:40:25,630 --> 00:40:21,920
it's very interesting and for everybody

974
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,640
out there you can just go to

975
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:27,440
scottwalteranswers.blogspot the links

976
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:29,680
are over at jimmychurchradio.com and you

977
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:31,760
can read all of uh scott's information

978
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,880
there

979
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,400
some of what we're talking we're going

980
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:36,960
to talk about tonight are his two latest

981
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:38,800
articles that were published i think one

982
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,000
in the end of october and the one just

983
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,560
last year a couple of weeks ago uh uh

984
00:40:48,670 --> 00:40:46,720
first week in november and that's what

985
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:48,680
we're going to be doing tonight now

986
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,680
1362 let's start there why is that date

987
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:53,359
important

988
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,079
well 1362 is the date that's carved on

989
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:58,640
the runestone the kensington runestone

990
00:41:01,829 --> 00:41:00,880
that was found in 1898 swedish immigrant

991
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,839
farmer

992
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,520
clearing trees in preparation for

993
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:06,000
farming on his property in in western

994
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:09,200
minnesota and he and his two oldest sons

995
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:11,920
tipped over this 30 year old tree

996
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:14,319
and tightly wrapped almost directly

997
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:16,800
underneath it was this 202 pound stone

998
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,760
with a long inscription carved in runes

999
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:21,280
called the kensington runestone that we

1000
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,119
now call the kensington runestone and

1001
00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:27,359
it's a long inscription that is you know

1002
00:41:30,230 --> 00:41:28,319
people

1003
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,240
have tried to decipher it because it

1004
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,400
doesn't fit the narrative

1005
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,400
of what a runestone should be in the

1006
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:36,400
academic community both

1007
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:38,560
in runology here in america and in

1008
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,599
sweden

1009
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,560
and

1010
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:42,240
you know after everything that i've been

1011
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,920
through with this thing i'm just going

1012
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,560
to give you a cute little phrase okay

1013
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:48,960
and this really sums up

1014
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,119
why the kensington runestone was not

1015
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,160
figured out by the scholars to this day

1016
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:56,480
you ready for this yes i love this i

1017
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:57,839
came up with this and it's one of the

1018
00:42:03,030 --> 00:42:00,240
few things i think that actually

1019
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,040
really distills it down to its basic

1020
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:04,960
essence the problem of the kensington

1021
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:10,870
for 120 years

1022
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,160
scholars

1023
00:42:18,309 --> 00:42:14,400
have been trying to tell the kensington

1024
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,319
runestone what it's supposed to be

1025
00:42:22,150 --> 00:42:21,119
instead of letting the artifact tell

1026
00:42:25,030 --> 00:42:22,160
them

1027
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:26,790
i agree with that

1028
00:42:33,030 --> 00:42:31,599
okay so what are they trying to say here

1029
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:33,040
here's the problem

1030
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,119
what they're saying is

1031
00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:37,520
it's a runestone

1032
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:39,920
and the runestones that we have here in

1033
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,960
scandinavia have to be this this this

1034
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:44,319
and this and if it doesn't have this

1035
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:46,240
this and this because all the ones that

1036
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:48,079
we've studied have this this and this

1037
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,359
right then it can't be a runestone so it

1038
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:53,839
must be a fake

1039
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:55,359
that's what they that's basically what

1040
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:56,560
they said

1041
00:43:01,829 --> 00:42:59,599
and instead of doing what a true

1042
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:01,839
scientist does

1043
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,160
has to do is you start with a blank

1044
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:06,560
slate okay you don't make any

1045
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:09,680
assumptions at all you just start

1046
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,560
documenting information oh it's got

1047
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:14,160
x number of runes

1048
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:15,200
it's got

1049
00:43:18,150 --> 00:43:16,560
numbers

1050
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:18,160
here's another interesting thing you

1051
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:19,440
know the numbers on the kinsey and the

1052
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,200
runestone

1053
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:23,760
they're called pentatic numbers

1054
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:26,720
did you know that pentatic numbers are

1055
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:29,680
arabic in origin i did not

1056
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:32,720
which begs the question what the hell

1057
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,359
right a muslim why what the hell is a

1058
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:37,599
muslim numbering system doing on an

1059
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:40,480
artifact found in north america who in

1060
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:44,160
their history interacted with muslims

1061
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:45,200
oh

1062
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,040
the knights templar right interesting

1063
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,119
right right now that alone right there

1064
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,960
you've never heard anybody say that have

1065
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:51,760
you

1066
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,200
well and so the the thing is is the the

1067
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,520
suppressing of and i talk about this

1068
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:59,440
every night on the show scott the

1069
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:01,839
suppressing of this information is done

1070
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:05,520
for a reason i can't figure out why

1071
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,599
if they just

1072
00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:09,359
this isn't i would love to hear your

1073
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,599
answer for this if they just let the

1074
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:13,520
information out

1075
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,480
what does it really change

1076
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,359
especially now today in 2018 going into

1077
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,079
2019 what difference does this have to

1078
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,480
do with the past why continue to

1079
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,040
suppress history

1080
00:44:31,190 --> 00:44:29,200
you want me to be totally brutally

1081
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:31,200
honest i do

1082
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,079
well

1083
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,000
the reason is this

1084
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:36,240
is that once you accept the kensington

1085
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:39,680
runestone as a genuine medieval artifact

1086
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,480
that

1087
00:44:46,470 --> 00:44:43,119
goes back to the knights templar

1088
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,480
you trigger a series of dominoes

1089
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,040
that would end up going to inconvenient

1090
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,280
places for certain entities like the

1091
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:53,839
roman catholic church for one

1092
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:56,880
it inconveniently goes to places like

1093
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:58,880
the talpiyat tomb

1094
00:45:03,510 --> 00:45:00,800
in israel

1095
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:03,520
in jerusalem you know the talpiat him i

1096
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:05,920
do we've talked about it yeah yeah we

1097
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:07,920
talked about that that's the place the

1098
00:45:14,069 --> 00:45:10,960
church doesn't want to go do they no

1099
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,079
because this little thing about

1100
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:16,000
the resurrection of jesus suddenly if

1101
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:17,200
you have

1102
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:19,119
physical remains of his body that's a

1103
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:21,280
problem right

1104
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,960
and and the there okay and now it's a

1105
00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:27,359
huge problem they don't want to go there

1106
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:29,119
and they know that's one of the places

1107
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,040
that's going to go but it goes to a lot

1108
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,280
of other places so from a religious

1109
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,440
standpoint it's a huge problem

1110
00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:37,920
from a from a political standpoint it's

1111
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:40,000
also a huge problem remember that little

1112
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,839
manifest destiny thing that we had going

1113
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:44,079
for a long time i know right

1114
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:44,800
yeah

1115
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,040
and so

1116
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,760
all of a sudden we've got a land claim

1117
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,000
that i don't believe in the early part

1118
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:57,040
of the 18 or uh 20th century actually

1119
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:59,920
the late 19th century when it was found

1120
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:01,680
that that people

1121
00:46:05,670 --> 00:46:03,119
our government was still worrying about

1122
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,680
people making clang claims to this land

1123
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:07,119
there are many people that have made

1124
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,720
claims to this land you know there's

1125
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,040
russian land claims on the western

1126
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,040
states that have been found on the west

1127
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:15,359
coast and on the west coast of canada i

1128
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,920
bet you didn't know that well and so and

1129
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,240
and that could be part of it i mean

1130
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,319
seriously that that

1131
00:46:28,710 --> 00:46:24,560
uh you know wisconsin all the way to

1132
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:28,720
colorado uh from north dakota

1133
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,880
all the way down to to kansas could

1134
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:32,720
actually be called scandinavia new

1135
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:34,240
scandinavia

1136
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:38,160
that's right we got the uh we got the

1137
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:40,880
french land claims that you know came in

1138
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:44,319
the in the 1700s i mean it gets awful

1139
00:46:49,589 --> 00:46:47,440
messy and muddy if you really study it

1140
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,599
and you know we just don't need another

1141
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:51,280
land claim to muddy the waters

1142
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,200
especially before chris

1143
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,520
remember back during manifest destiny we

1144
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,119
had

1145
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:59,359
you know we basically set the table and

1146
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:01,359
said you know manifest destiny is two

1147
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,000
things one is the natives are savages

1148
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:05,839
and and not worthy of owning this land

1149
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,960
thereby justifying you know persecution

1150
00:47:13,030 --> 00:47:10,400
killing them and taking their land that

1151
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:13,040
was part one part two was there was

1152
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:15,920
nobody else that came here before chris

1153
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,800
so it's our sovereign god-given right to

1154
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,800
take this land right

1155
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:22,640
i mean it's nonsense when you look at

1156
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:24,960
him today but that was that's what it

1157
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,520
was all about and so any of these things

1158
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,839
that could potentially be problematic

1159
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,760
that there were other european cultures

1160
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,760
that came here or any other cultures

1161
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,280
that came here

1162
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:37,200
that's a problem so what's what do you

1163
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,800
do with it you don't sit there and try

1164
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,640
to argue it and look at the evidence and

1165
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:42,160
see if it's really no you just make it

1166
00:47:47,349 --> 00:47:43,359
go away

1167
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:47,359
easy simple clean done gone fake done

1168
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:50,640
now what we're gonna do here now that

1169
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,520
we've kind of laid this out and there's

1170
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,960
one other thing i just want to mention

1171
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,720
before we head to the break and i want

1172
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,119
to start to we've got to talk set this

1173
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,400
up with a with jackson and donald and

1174
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,040
what happened and what the discovery was

1175
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:07,359
we'll set that up for after the break

1176
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,319
but

1177
00:48:12,550 --> 00:48:10,160
before we get there there's one other

1178
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:12,560
thing uh that i think is

1179
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,200
historically one of the biggest stories

1180
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,599
um you know of all time which certainly

1181
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:19,280
is the hooked axe

1182
00:48:25,270 --> 00:48:22,000
the hooked axe isn't just the kensington

1183
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:25,280
rune stone the hook tax isn't just you

1184
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:27,920
know it isn't just it goes all the way

1185
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:29,680
back uh to

1186
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,760
the middle east it goes back to

1187
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,800
jerusalem it it the hook decks tends to

1188
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,800
be everywhere and it's certainly part of

1189
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:38,800
the story again tonight

1190
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:40,480
um with

1191
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:41,839
these documents

1192
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,880
so

1193
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:44,880
the hooked ex is is a part of our

1194
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,000
history

1195
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,400
when is it going to be accepted i mean

1196
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,640
what it what is it going to take

1197
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,640
for for everybody to start connecting

1198
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:54,559
the hook decks doc

1199
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:58,000
dots that that surround this planet

1200
00:49:02,870 --> 00:48:59,520
well i'll tell you what jimmy i think

1201
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,880
people are starting to do that

1202
00:49:06,150 --> 00:49:04,640
and this is this is really kind of a

1203
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:06,160
crazy thing that you bring this up

1204
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:08,240
because

1205
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,160
i actually own a trademark on the hook

1206
00:49:14,950 --> 00:49:12,960
decks and

1207
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,960
i was advised to do that and i did it

1208
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:17,040
and i'm glad i did because

1209
00:49:21,750 --> 00:49:19,520
um you know this is something that we

1210
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:21,760
coined many years ago when we were

1211
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,640
you know

1212
00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:24,079
working on the runestone and then we

1213
00:49:27,510 --> 00:49:26,640
realized it was such a much much bigger

1214
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,520
thing

1215
00:49:31,589 --> 00:49:30,000
and anyway so what's happening now is

1216
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:31,599
it's becoming

1217
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,119
it is becoming

1218
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:35,040
more out there i mean there was a woman

1219
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:37,359
that wrote a book here recently and it's

1220
00:49:41,270 --> 00:49:38,800
called like the mystery of the hook

1221
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:41,280
decks and the cover of the book it's a

1222
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:42,960
novel and the and the cover of the book

1223
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,440
is like this dark brownish colored with

1224
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,760
just a big hook deck symbol on it and

1225
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,440
and i'm like oh my gosh i gotta call

1226
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,280
this you gotta tell this person there's

1227
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,920
a trademark and she can't do that and

1228
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,680
and i called her and she said oh my god

1229
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,839
i had no idea i said oh that's fine i i

1230
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,359
thought that was the case and i went

1231
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,960
through it with her well i just had

1232
00:50:04,549 --> 00:50:02,960
another person who's wrote written a

1233
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:04,559
book and in the description in this

1234
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:06,880
catalog he uses the hook decks and it's

1235
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:09,599
part of his book so i'm talking to him

1236
00:50:14,390 --> 00:50:12,559
right now and what i want to do is is i

1237
00:50:16,710 --> 00:50:14,400
want to be careful of is that it it

1238
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:16,720
doesn't become something like a kleenex

1239
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:17,680
right

1240
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:20,400
you know tissues you know how can you

1241
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:22,000
term kleenex

1242
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,160
and scott scott scott scott let me i

1243
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:26,960
gotta ask you how can you trademark a

1244
00:50:31,430 --> 00:50:29,839
letter it's like trademarking the letter

1245
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,440
it's not though it's not the symbol you

1246
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:33,599
can't trademark the symbol but i can

1247
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,319
trademark the phrase the hook deck oh

1248
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,400
you're trademarking the phrase the hook

1249
00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,200
deck

1250
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,280
what's happening is the symbol

1251
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,760
and the phrase are becoming one of the

1252
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:47,040
same right

1253
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,599
and so it gets to be like the kleenex

1254
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,800
tissue thing

1255
00:50:54,870 --> 00:50:52,480
and i'd be honest with you i'm a little

1256
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:54,880
confused because there's a part of me

1257
00:50:59,589 --> 00:50:57,680
that wants that to happen right but from

1258
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,599
a legal standpoint i'm not supposed to

1259
00:51:03,030 --> 00:51:01,680
let it happen so i'm in this quandary of

1260
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:03,040
what i'm going to do

1261
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,839
and i don't want to discourage people

1262
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:07,760
you know on one hand but i also want to

1263
00:51:11,990 --> 00:51:09,520
protect the brand name

1264
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:12,000
so i'm not sure i guess the answer to

1265
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,839
your question is

1266
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:15,760
it's being accepted

1267
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,160
it has to be accepted because it's it's

1268
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:20,400
part of the real history and the

1269
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:23,280
importance of it touches on some of the

1270
00:51:28,230 --> 00:51:26,240
most important historical figures

1271
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:28,240
in the history of this world so you

1272
00:51:31,510 --> 00:51:29,359
created

1273
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,520
an icon and you know

1274
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:33,520
sure doesn't get any bigger than that

1275
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,119
you created the term hooked axe before

1276
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:39,599
you nobody used that term

1277
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:42,720
no i've never seen it anywhere prior and

1278
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,480
i just looked at it nice you know when

1279
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,319
we were doing our research and talking

1280
00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:48,400
about the different runes we didn't have

1281
00:51:51,750 --> 00:51:50,319
a name for that one it was it's it's

1282
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,760
being used for the letter a and i just

1283
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,000
said well looks like a hooked x

1284
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:55,440
and it just caught on and we just

1285
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,040
started using it and that's how it

1286
00:52:03,270 --> 00:51:59,359
started somebody just tweeted the hooked

1287
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:03,280
axe is now trademarked by the masons

1288
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:06,400
no no no not the masons i'm amazing but

1289
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:09,680
the mace didn't trade market

1290
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:11,680
there's there's so much trademarking

1291
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:13,599
scuttlebutt going on in this community

1292
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:15,920
right now and uh

1293
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:18,720
it's always good to have clarification

1294
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:22,559
so okay now um but yes

1295
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:25,119
you know i see it everywhere and leading

1296
00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:28,160
up to the show tonight i was watching i

1297
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,440
think it was on twitter yesterday it

1298
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:31,359
might have been today you know somebody

1299
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:34,400
was uh uh had a photograph up of

1300
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:35,680
something in i mean it might have been

1301
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:36,880
new york

1302
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:39,280
um somebody's standing there with with

1303
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:41,520
an axe in front of them and oh

1304
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,520
saint andrews yes

1305
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:45,760
you saw that outside

1306
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,480
in in new york yeah now see and that's

1307
00:52:53,910 --> 00:52:51,440
what you have caused people to do

1308
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:53,920
right i love it though i love it yes

1309
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:57,119
that's great yes and it i see it

1310
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,280
everywhere now you know anytime i see

1311
00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:00,960
any type of ancient writing i'm looking

1312
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:02,800
for hook taxes

1313
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,400
i know it

1314
00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:06,160
well you know what i think this is a

1315
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:08,160
good thing that people i'll tell you

1316
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,800
what what happens is you start looking

1317
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,559
for something that you know like the

1318
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,640
hook decks for example but what happens

1319
00:53:18,790 --> 00:53:16,480
is you start to see other things you're

1320
00:53:20,069 --> 00:53:18,800
paying more attention to things that you

1321
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:20,079
probably wouldn't have paid as close

1322
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,240
attention to before and you start to see

1323
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,319
other things so

1324
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:25,920
if that's what it's making people do i

1325
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,680
think it's wonderful okay now we're

1326
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:28,960
going to head towards a break when we

1327
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:30,640
come back we'll start to set this up

1328
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:34,240
with uh donald ru and dr jackson uh but

1329
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:35,839
before we get there i just wanted to

1330
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:38,480
give you a little uh

1331
00:53:42,549 --> 00:53:40,160
opportunity you're

1332
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,559
i i hope you can talk about it you are

1333
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:44,800
taping you are in production for a new

1334
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:47,200
series

1335
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:50,559
i can either confirm or deny man i love

1336
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:53,359
it what what can you confirm that you

1337
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:54,839
are filming

1338
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,599
something um

1339
00:54:01,910 --> 00:53:59,599
let's just say that we are working

1340
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:01,920
really hard on something

1341
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:05,359
and uh i'm hearing words like

1342
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:06,400
action

1343
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:09,760
and cut that's all i'll say is it is it

1344
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,470
is it

1345
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:17,990
i know right

1346
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:19,760
because i know it's going to be great

1347
00:54:23,829 --> 00:54:22,480
okay do you have just a little flavor

1348
00:54:26,549 --> 00:54:23,839
give me a little something do you have a

1349
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,559
partner in crime

1350
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,920
um

1351
00:54:33,030 --> 00:54:30,160
you know what i i don't work well in

1352
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:33,040
partnerships i've come to realize that i

1353
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:35,119
i i just i

1354
00:54:40,309 --> 00:54:37,280
i don't know i just

1355
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:40,319
okay i work alone okay so it is in the

1356
00:54:43,589 --> 00:54:41,440
format

1357
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:43,599
of you going out there breaking doors

1358
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,040
down

1359
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:47,280
if something like that

1360
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,760
opportunity like that presented itself

1361
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:53,920
um

1362
00:54:57,670 --> 00:54:56,000
any door that didn't make didn't open

1363
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:57,680
we'd find a way to get it open let's put

1364
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,160
it that way is there any scuba diving or

1365
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:02,640
spelunking

1366
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:06,640
well you know i love to do both

1367
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,480
is their football

1368
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:10,559
scott what can you tell me last night is

1369
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:11,599
the matter

1370
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:13,119
i know you and

1371
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,520
it was i had a great time i'm i'm

1372
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,680
playing with my son in a flag football

1373
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:19,599
league and uh

1374
00:55:25,109 --> 00:55:22,319
it's it's a blast i get to throw passes

1375
00:55:26,230 --> 00:55:25,119
to my son and yell and scream at him and

1376
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:26,240
hug him and

1377
00:55:31,030 --> 00:55:29,359
tell him great i just i i've never i've

1378
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:31,040
never had more fun in my life okay i'm

1379
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:33,920
not gonna let you off the hook decks

1380
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:35,520
that easy

1381
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,160
is so are we looking at uh 2019 release

1382
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:42,640
um well i mean you know this year's

1383
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:44,880
almost done so yeah

1384
00:55:50,710 --> 00:55:47,760
so it's not eminent right

1385
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,720
it's not going to be a a january a

1386
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,640
premiere

1387
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,240
let me just say this

1388
00:55:59,430 --> 00:55:57,119
i i've learned in this business that you

1389
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,440
never count on anything that's right

1390
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:02,079
because you know the the last time i did

1391
00:56:05,430 --> 00:56:04,640
my own show uh it was called america on

1392
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:05,440
earth

1393
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:06,480
and

1394
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,720
i i was having

1395
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:10,720
a lot of fun the show was doing really

1396
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:11,839
well

1397
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,880
and

1398
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:14,640
you know things were trending up the

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ratings were rising and all of a sudden

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they sold the channel and we were

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out the door it was done

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so i've learned never to take anything

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for granted and to be grateful for all

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the good things that you do have because

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you never know what it can be taken away

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from you

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and i would you know if if another

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opportunity comes along there's nothing

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that i would do to to put it in jeopardy

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all i can say is is that i'm very

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uh excited about the near future there's

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a lot of wonderful things that are going

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on and i have to say what we're about to

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talk about on the other side of the

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break to me is probably the most

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is the greatest

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stories i've ever heard in my life

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admittedly bias but if you like the

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templars

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you better hang on and listen to the

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00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:10,720
rest of this show when we come back we

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00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:13,760
are going to discuss donald drew dr

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jackson and hunter mountain that's right

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it's an incredible story our guest

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tonight scott walter i'm your host jimmy

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church this is fade to black

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on the game changer network and kg are a

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scott at scott walter i'll be right back

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after this short break more with scott

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,119
real jimmy church tonight scott walters

1551
01:03:21,750 --> 01:03:19,440
back with us

1552
01:03:24,230 --> 01:03:21,760
and we are literally talking about the

1553
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:24,240
lost templar journals of prince henry

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01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:26,960
sinclair and we're going to start this

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01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:28,480
journey off

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01:03:32,150 --> 01:03:29,760
right now

1557
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:32,160
with this part of the story we've got

1558
01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:33,359
two things that we're going to weave

1559
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:35,760
together tonight um but scott it's

1560
01:03:44,309 --> 01:03:39,039
donald ru and and dr jackson

1561
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:44,319
and and hunter mountain pretty amazing

1562
01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:52,309
scott are you there oh did we lose scott

1563
01:03:58,630 --> 01:03:55,839
oh man okay hold on for a second

1564
01:04:01,349 --> 01:03:58,640
literally as i said let's go

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01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:01,359
uh scott disappeared so just give me a

1566
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:02,240
second

1567
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:04,160
we'll uh we'll have scouts about that

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01:04:09,109 --> 01:04:06,400
yeah that was it you or me

1569
01:04:12,630 --> 01:04:09,119
no it was me i pushed a button and i all

1570
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:12,640
of a sudden you were gone i i apologize

1571
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:15,359
literally as i asked the question okay

1572
01:04:21,029 --> 01:04:16,799
so um

1573
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:21,039
uh this this with with donald and uh dr

1574
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:23,440
jackson this story actually starts in

1575
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:25,280
1969.

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01:04:29,910 --> 01:04:27,839
uh so let's let's go to the point of

1577
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:29,920
origin of the story first

1578
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:33,200
okay actually it was 1968

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01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:34,559
and uh

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01:04:38,549 --> 01:04:36,240
a bunch of guys

1581
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:38,559
1968 pretty sure why do you always

1582
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:42,079
correct me no i just i'm a fat guy

1583
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:43,520
everything's got to be i've got these

1584
01:04:48,630 --> 01:04:45,839
things in my head and i'm sorry it's a

1585
01:04:49,829 --> 01:04:48,640
bad habit i have but it was 1968. okay

1586
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:49,839
okay

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01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,200
so you've got these

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01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:53,200
a group of guys that were working for an

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01:04:57,430 --> 01:04:54,480
agency

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01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:57,440
that did uh things for the government

1591
01:05:01,029 --> 01:05:00,000
and for private entities and

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01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:01,039
um

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01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:02,880
stuff we don't hear about i guess the

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way don says it say we used to do things

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01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:07,039
uh

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01:05:13,349 --> 01:05:11,440
would put it fair enough anyway and and

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01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:13,359
this this is you know this is during the

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the vietnam war era and uh you know

1599
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this is kind of a wild time i mean you

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know there was

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you know the race riots and there were

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01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:25,680
assassinations and you know the

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01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:27,280
woodstock and i mean it was it was a

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01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:29,200
different time i was just a

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01:05:33,670 --> 01:05:31,520
little kid growing up i barely remember

1606
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:33,680
it but these guys were in their early

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01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:35,280
20s and they were adventurers and they

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01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,839
decided to go scuba diving in the hudson

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01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:39,520
river and

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01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:42,640
uh don rue was one of the guys and and

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01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:46,400
uh he happened to notice these two

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01:05:51,910 --> 01:05:49,520
uh wooden boxes that had round balls on

1613
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:51,920
top of them which turned out to be

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01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:55,359
uh decorative ornaments that were used

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01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:57,920
to be in the flower gardens of bannerman

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01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:59,520
island where

1617
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:01,440
uh the guy that

1618
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,440
francis bannerman used to deal in

1619
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:05,520
ammunitions during the civil war and

1620
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:08,720
then his son dealt going into world war

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01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:09,839
one

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01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,760
and there were munitions stored on the

1623
01:06:15,029 --> 01:06:13,440
island and they blew up and that's how

1624
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:15,039
these things ended up in the water i

1625
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:17,599
mean this this is documented but in any

1626
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:20,000
case he found these bulbs and he knew

1627
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:21,839
that one of his other buddies that was

1628
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:24,960
with him dr bill jackson

1629
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:27,119
his wife was a gardener and he said well

1630
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:28,559
maybe your wife will want these so he

1631
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:30,000
gave them to bill

1632
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:32,240
well bill took him home and his young

1633
01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:34,720
son who mark who was five years old at

1634
01:06:38,309 --> 01:06:36,720
the time was carrying around one of

1635
01:06:40,950 --> 01:06:38,319
these square

1636
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:40,960
decorative tops of these things from the

1637
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:42,960
garden he dropped it

1638
01:06:45,190 --> 01:06:43,920
and

1639
01:06:46,789 --> 01:06:45,200
there was something inside of it there

1640
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:46,799
was a couple of things inside and it was

1641
01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:49,440
there was this brass seal

1642
01:06:54,309 --> 01:06:52,000
and there was a little canister a little

1643
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:54,319
tube that actually was sealed with

1644
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:56,160
beeswax and clay

1645
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,760
and inside of it were a couple of

1646
01:07:01,750 --> 01:06:59,440
parchments

1647
01:07:04,150 --> 01:07:01,760
and

1648
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,160
to make a long story short what what was

1649
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:06,240
inside the brass seal were some little

1650
01:07:10,470 --> 01:07:08,559
metal plates that had etchings on them

1651
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:10,480
and one of the things that was on one of

1652
01:07:14,549 --> 01:07:11,839
these plates

1653
01:07:15,589 --> 01:07:14,559
was the word antiora

1654
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:15,599
and

1655
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:16,880
you know

1656
01:07:21,990 --> 01:07:19,760
bill found this thing and he

1657
01:07:24,230 --> 01:07:22,000
started to investigate what it was i

1658
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,240
mean these guys were very smart they

1659
01:07:26,829 --> 01:07:25,920
were very inquisitive they all had

1660
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:26,839
special

1661
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:30,559
skills uh you know don was a lock picker

1662
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:33,200
and had other skills with explosives and

1663
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:34,720
i mean these guys did

1664
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:36,880
stuff that you don't normally

1665
01:07:40,309 --> 01:07:39,119
see people put on their resumes as their

1666
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:40,319
vocations

1667
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:43,119
anyway um another one of their

1668
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:46,319
colleagues a guy named dan spartan

1669
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:47,359
um

1670
01:07:52,789 --> 01:07:50,160
had his father had fought in world war

1671
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:52,799
ii and had a colleague who worked for

1672
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,359
the french resistance in france and

1673
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:57,599
after the war this guy

1674
01:08:02,309 --> 01:08:00,240
uh sold rare books so dan spartan

1675
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,319
suggested to bill well if you want to

1676
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:04,559
try to figure out what the strange words

1677
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:07,039
and symbols are that are carved on this

1678
01:08:10,390 --> 01:08:09,520
brass seal and on these parchments that

1679
01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:10,400
you got

1680
01:08:15,109 --> 01:08:12,880
maybe this guy in france

1681
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:15,119
who's a rare book dealer can help you so

1682
01:08:19,749 --> 01:08:17,920
book so jackson goes over to france

1683
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:19,759
he visits with this guy he bought three

1684
01:08:23,749 --> 01:08:21,839
things one was

1685
01:08:25,189 --> 01:08:23,759
illuminated bible for his wife who was

1686
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:25,199
an irish catholic

1687
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:27,120
the second one was a book about the

1688
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:30,319
constitution of honorius that had some

1689
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:33,120
text in their information about theban

1690
01:08:39,030 --> 01:08:34,799
script

1691
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:39,040
that was etched on the outside and on

1692
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,839
the inside of that brass seal and on

1693
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:43,600
these two parchments

1694
01:08:50,229 --> 01:08:46,799
the third document he bought was a book

1695
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:50,239
that was written in 1718

1696
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:51,359
about

1697
01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:54,480
native american words that appear in

1698
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:56,719
european languages

1699
01:09:00,870 --> 01:08:59,839
one of the words was antiora in this

1700
01:09:02,789 --> 01:09:00,880
book

1701
01:09:05,590 --> 01:09:02,799
and that's why he bought it

1702
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:05,600
the reference to the word was a document

1703
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,719
called

1704
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:08,799
a year we remember

1705
01:09:13,269 --> 01:09:11,199
well that document is the cremona

1706
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:13,279
document okay so that's how this whole

1707
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:16,480
thing came about i know that's detailed

1708
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:20,799
no no no no no no no okay i'm going to i

1709
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:22,880
can post the picture of the brass seal

1710
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:23,679
right

1711
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:26,080
yep okay okay there it goes that's up in

1712
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:27,520
twitter right now

1713
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:29,040
and so

1714
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:31,120
for can you see the theme

1715
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:33,120
script etched on it i'm actually going

1716
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:34,799
to ask you a couple of questions about

1717
01:09:37,669 --> 01:09:36,880
this right now for everybody okay go

1718
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:37,679
ahead

1719
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:40,239
how big is this brass seal

1720
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:42,159
it's just it's about the size of a

1721
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:43,520
hockey puck

1722
01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:45,600
it's a little bit thicker okay it's

1723
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:48,239
almost exactly the size of a hockey puck

1724
01:09:54,470 --> 01:09:51,759
now um and the script that you're

1725
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:54,480
talking about is clearly visible um in

1726
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:57,360
the top half of this image

1727
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:59,360
good and that's thieben's script and if

1728
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:01,280
people google fiban

1729
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:03,520
you'll see that it's a a one-to-one

1730
01:10:07,830 --> 01:10:05,840
substitution of the symbol for a letter

1731
01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:07,840
there's a theban alphabet

1732
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:09,760
and what happened is once he got a hold

1733
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:10,640
of this

1734
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:12,400
he figured now remember this is this is

1735
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:14,560
this late 60s right

1736
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:16,560
we didn't have the internet then

1737
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:19,920
so i mean just imagine the difficulty of

1738
01:10:24,390 --> 01:10:22,239
finding something like this but he was

1739
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,400
able to find it some some references to

1740
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,960
the steven language and that text that's

1741
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:28,640
on on the seal

1742
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:31,360
what it says is to open

1743
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:32,320
press

1744
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:33,520
the back

1745
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:35,360
center peg

1746
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:37,360
i mean that's basically what it says it

1747
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:39,120
tells you how to open it right but you

1748
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:41,920
have to you have to decode this even and

1749
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:44,960
that's how we got into it but um

1750
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:47,360
yeah so that's okay so

1751
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:48,880
okay so

1752
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:51,120
they they find this

1753
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:52,239
and

1754
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:55,280
you come into the picture now okay so dr

1755
01:11:03,430 --> 01:10:59,600
jackson and and don rue they um from

1756
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,440
1968 on now they've got a quest right

1757
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,040
they have got

1758
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:07,440
the ultimate thing no no wait wait wait

1759
01:11:11,750 --> 01:11:09,520
back up a sec it's not they

1760
01:11:13,830 --> 01:11:11,760
this is jackson's deal

1761
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,840
didn't even know about the cremona

1762
01:11:16,390 --> 01:11:15,280
document

1763
01:11:19,430 --> 01:11:16,400
until

1764
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,440
after his friend died in 2000

1765
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:21,840
i mean this story is so convoluted

1766
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:23,679
jackson was working on these

1767
01:11:28,229 --> 01:11:25,760
archaeological mysteries is what don

1768
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,239
always thought he never told him about

1769
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:30,640
the cremona document that that he

1770
01:11:34,950 --> 01:11:33,199
eventually would would buy

1771
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:34,960
and the way he was able to buy it is a

1772
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:36,800
long story and it's amazing how he did

1773
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:39,199
it but once he got it

1774
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:41,840
he then went to a guy by the name of

1775
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:43,920
barry fell have you ever heard of barry

1776
01:11:47,990 --> 01:11:45,920
fell yes

1777
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:48,000
he wrote he wrote that groundbreaking

1778
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:51,679
book america bc back in 1976

1779
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,480
this was before that because when

1780
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:56,159
jackson was trying to figure out the

1781
01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,600
script

1782
01:12:01,590 --> 01:11:59,360
one of the things he did he eventually

1783
01:12:04,790 --> 01:12:01,600
found it by going to this guy book

1784
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:04,800
dealer in in france but he also went to

1785
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:05,840
harvard

1786
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,679
and met with barry fell and said can you

1787
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:09,840
help me with this

1788
01:12:14,149 --> 01:12:12,239
and and then when he bought the document

1789
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,159
in 1971

1790
01:12:19,189 --> 01:12:17,040
in italy he bought it from one of the

1791
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:19,199
descendants of the author of that book

1792
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,640
that had the word antiora in it

1793
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:24,719
he bought it he looked at it at the

1794
01:12:27,590 --> 01:12:25,840
vatican

1795
01:12:30,070 --> 01:12:27,600
and then he bought it in a hotel room

1796
01:12:32,070 --> 01:12:30,080
after that now he's got the document a

1797
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,080
year we we remember

1798
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:35,040
and he showed it to barry fell in 1971.

1799
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:36,800
barry felt went nuts

1800
01:12:40,470 --> 01:12:38,239
and he said oh my god you realize what

1801
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,480
you've got here this is this is the this

1802
01:12:43,669 --> 01:12:42,159
is the story of the templars coming over

1803
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:43,679
in the 12th century

1804
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:45,760
and barry fell took the document and he

1805
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:48,560
wouldn't give it back to jackson

1806
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,640
and so 1968 which started the journey uh

1807
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:54,000
for jackson

1808
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:58,239
he he gets this open uh inside of it are

1809
01:13:03,669 --> 01:12:59,840
these artifacts that you're talking

1810
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:03,679
about uh metal inserts yep right and and

1811
01:13:09,189 --> 01:13:06,480
this leads him to italy

1812
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:09,199
where he tracks down

1813
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:11,360
to france or to italy

1814
01:13:16,470 --> 01:13:14,000
no to france first where he got he got

1815
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:16,480
the he got the book that had the word

1816
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:20,480
antiora the reference for that word

1817
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:22,640
is what they called north america back

1818
01:13:26,229 --> 01:13:24,080
then right

1819
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:26,239
back in the templars time and and

1820
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:27,840
actually going back even farther than

1821
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:30,080
that probably to the first century they

1822
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:33,120
called north america in europe

1823
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:36,239
ontario now the reference for that word

1824
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:39,120
was the cremona document which landed he

1825
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:41,679
bought in italy in 1971 three years

1826
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:44,560
later right so that led him to italy

1827
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:48,400
and now this this is where for me the

1828
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:50,719
the story gets uh

1829
01:13:55,350 --> 01:13:53,679
even crazier well because the vatican is

1830
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:55,360
now involved

1831
01:13:59,270 --> 01:13:57,280
well the vatican is involved in the

1832
01:14:00,950 --> 01:13:59,280
story but not in the way

1833
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:00,960
well let me just tell you what happened

1834
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:03,679
the guy that had the document was the

1835
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:05,920
descendant of one of the authors of that

1836
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:08,400
pamphlet that jackson used that

1837
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:10,239
referenced the cremona document his name

1838
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:12,800
was gustavo benvenuto

1839
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:16,080
benvenuto was about to donate

1840
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:18,560
that book along with some other other

1841
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:21,920
books that the family had to the vatican

1842
01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:24,719
before he was able to do that jackson

1843
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:26,640
met with him and said hey can i look at

1844
01:14:30,870 --> 01:14:27,600
this

1845
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:30,880
they they looked at it in the vatican

1846
01:14:34,229 --> 01:14:32,000
and

1847
01:14:36,310 --> 01:14:34,239
he said well instead of giving it to him

1848
01:14:38,470 --> 01:14:36,320
he said i'll buy it from you

1849
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:38,480
so he ended up buying it from him for i

1850
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:41,600
think it was 325 lira

1851
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:43,280
and then they went back to his hotel

1852
01:14:46,229 --> 01:14:44,880
room benvenuto agreed he went to the

1853
01:14:48,550 --> 01:14:46,239
hotel room he gave him the money and he

1854
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:48,560
bought the document but that's how close

1855
01:14:53,110 --> 01:14:52,239
it came to ending up in the vatican

1856
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,120
the

1857
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:55,760
okay so

1858
01:15:02,550 --> 01:14:59,440
let's continue because this is uh

1859
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:02,560
again it gets it gets very crazy um

1860
01:15:07,430 --> 01:15:05,120
first it's crazy okay so he takes the he

1861
01:15:09,430 --> 01:15:07,440
takes the book and he brings it back and

1862
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:09,440
he's now in it the whole book is all

1863
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:10,880
amphibian

1864
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:13,840
so he's got to try to decode it right

1865
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:16,800
so he goes to harvard to barry fell this

1866
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:18,640
guy's an expert in ancient languages

1867
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:21,040
right and he's the guy that that would

1868
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,640
eventually write that now now what's

1869
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:24,880
really crazy and it's probably gonna

1870
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:26,800
upset a few people but i'm just gonna

1871
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,880
tell you the story of what happened i'm

1872
01:15:33,270 --> 01:15:30,719
not passing judgment

1873
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:33,280
but barry fell went crazy over this

1874
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:35,360
thing he wanted to use the cremona

1875
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:37,280
document and the story

1876
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:40,000
in his book america bc and bill jackson

1877
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:40,719
said

1878
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:42,800
no that thing belongs to me i'm gonna

1879
01:15:46,310 --> 01:15:45,199
write about it i want it back

1880
01:15:48,470 --> 01:15:46,320
and

1881
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:48,480
there was a lawsuit there was actually a

1882
01:15:54,070 --> 01:15:50,880
lawsuit filed we haven't been able to

1883
01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:54,080
find uh the judgment we actually had a

1884
01:15:58,229 --> 01:15:55,760
david brody a friend of ours who's a

1885
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:58,239
lawyer try to find the the

1886
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:00,719
uh record of that case but he said it's

1887
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:02,320
not surprising that they can't find it

1888
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:03,679
but in any case

1889
01:16:08,950 --> 01:16:06,480
he finally got it back from him before

1890
01:16:11,270 --> 01:16:08,960
he could publish it in his book that the

1891
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:11,280
story of the cremona document if barry

1892
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:13,120
fell it had his way would have been in

1893
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:15,520
that book america bc

1894
01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:17,440
how does uh

1895
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:19,280
let's start filling in the blanks here

1896
01:16:25,430 --> 01:16:23,040
how do you go from that and the book

1897
01:16:26,790 --> 01:16:25,440
and the thieving text

1898
01:16:29,910 --> 01:16:26,800
to

1899
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:29,920
a shipwreck in in newfoundland

1900
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:31,920
i mean okay well the the shipwreck in

1901
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:33,520
newfoundland is just chronicled right

1902
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,280
there in in the crimona document he

1903
01:16:41,590 --> 01:16:38,000
tells the story in fact they have

1904
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:41,600
very detailed i can tell you this

1905
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:43,199
there's things that are not in don's

1906
01:16:50,070 --> 01:16:47,199
book that we purposely didn't publish

1907
01:16:52,709 --> 01:16:50,080
don and john here's what happened in

1908
01:16:55,110 --> 01:16:52,719
1971 the first thing

1909
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:55,120
that jackson did once he got the

1910
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:57,600
translated version of the book which he

1911
01:17:01,510 --> 01:16:59,760
basically did through his sources

1912
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:01,520
connected with spartan enterprises he

1913
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:03,280
didn't get any help from

1914
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,360
from barry fell

1915
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:07,199
first thing he did was say don i want to

1916
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:09,840
go up to newfoundland and go scuba

1917
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:12,320
diving well don never married him you

1918
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:14,239
know never was never married

1919
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:17,520
and he was he and and i asked i asked

1920
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:19,440
dom this question just last year said

1921
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:21,280
don why the hell did he leave all the

1922
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:22,719
stuff to you why not any of the other

1923
01:17:28,149 --> 01:17:25,440
guys that i've heard so much about

1924
01:17:29,430 --> 01:17:28,159
he said the reason is is because i was

1925
01:17:31,030 --> 01:17:29,440
the one that would always go on his

1926
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:31,040
archaeological adventures because i

1927
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:32,400
could go

1928
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:34,000
and

1929
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:35,040
jackson

1930
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,840
actually saved don's life on the hudson

1931
01:17:41,830 --> 01:17:39,840
river during those times in the 60s when

1932
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:41,840
they were scuba diving and i don't know

1933
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:43,440
i don't remember if don has that story

1934
01:17:46,630 --> 01:17:44,960
in the book but

1935
01:17:48,550 --> 01:17:46,640
jackson was a doctor

1936
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:48,560
and don actually

1937
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:50,320
hid his head on a boat motor while he

1938
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:53,040
was diving and was knocked unconscious

1939
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:54,719
and basically drowned

1940
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:56,320
and jackson

1941
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:58,320
shocked it with the batteries and the

1942
01:18:01,669 --> 01:18:00,159
coils the wires on their boat and

1943
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:01,679
brought them back to life

1944
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:04,480
so they had a very special relationship

1945
01:18:09,510 --> 01:18:07,280
and they actually went up to southern

1946
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:09,520
newfoundland

1947
01:18:13,830 --> 01:18:12,239
and they dove and they found that wreck

1948
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:13,840
they found it

1949
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:15,120
and what

1950
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,920
okay

1951
01:18:19,630 --> 01:18:17,360
now this

1952
01:18:22,790 --> 01:18:19,640
to stay in a

1953
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:22,800
chronological order in a linear sense

1954
01:18:28,149 --> 01:18:25,280
because so much stuff happens all of

1955
01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:28,159
this all of this all of this is because

1956
01:18:33,590 --> 01:18:29,520
of the

1957
01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:33,600
yeah it all started with the hot with

1958
01:18:37,669 --> 01:18:35,760
with the with the decorative bulb the

1959
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:37,679
little boy falling breaking it and

1960
01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,640
inside they discovered these things okay

1961
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:42,400
so now they how they got in there we

1962
01:18:45,189 --> 01:18:43,840
don't know that we don't know but

1963
01:18:46,550 --> 01:18:45,199
obviously bannerman must have been

1964
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:46,560
involved in that or one of his

1965
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:49,360
associates and he hid it in the in the

1966
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:51,199
the brass seal and the flower garden his

1967
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:52,800
white flower guide i don't know why i

1968
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:53,920
don't know how it got there we don't

1969
01:18:57,189 --> 01:18:54,640
know

1970
01:19:01,030 --> 01:18:57,199
and um uh

1971
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:01,040
does anybody know uh going back uh to

1972
01:19:05,510 --> 01:19:03,199
the cremona document uh

1973
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:05,520
is it still in the vatican is it is it

1974
01:19:10,630 --> 01:19:07,520
just gone

1975
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:10,640
well i i i can bring you full circle on

1976
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:13,360
that okay but then well let's go full

1977
01:19:16,550 --> 01:19:15,040
circle later let me let me go back and

1978
01:19:19,110 --> 01:19:16,560
just tell you what happened and how we

1979
01:19:21,030 --> 01:19:19,120
got how i became involved in all so in

1980
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:21,040
nineteen they find the ship when they

1981
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:23,040
found the ship and there were artifacts

1982
01:19:26,149 --> 01:19:24,880
attached to the mass because there was a

1983
01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:26,159
brass

1984
01:19:30,709 --> 01:19:28,640
uh uh strap that went around and held

1985
01:19:33,030 --> 01:19:30,719
the the two pieces of wood together to

1986
01:19:35,510 --> 01:19:33,040
make the mast and there was a stone that

1987
01:19:38,070 --> 01:19:35,520
was shoved into it to tighten it it was

1988
01:19:40,310 --> 01:19:38,080
a wedge stone that you know you pound it

1989
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:40,320
it'll tighten the strap

1990
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:42,000
but there were symbols that were carved

1991
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:44,000
on this rock that

1992
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:45,840
the rock pounded into the strap on the

1993
01:19:50,950 --> 01:19:48,480
mast and this is what they pulled up

1994
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,960
and those symbols become iconic symbols

1995
01:19:54,229 --> 01:19:52,960
throughout the story because they they

1996
01:19:56,470 --> 01:19:54,239
repeat

1997
01:19:58,310 --> 01:19:56,480
but in any case so once they found that

1998
01:20:00,149 --> 01:19:58,320
shipwreck and don didn't know what the

1999
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:00,159
hell they he had no idea it was a 12th

2000
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:03,040
century ship they they they ended up

2001
01:20:06,709 --> 01:20:04,719
turning up because the first thing i

2002
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:06,719
asked i said well where's the mast we

2003
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:08,400
can date the wood he said well it was

2004
01:20:12,630 --> 01:20:10,560
turned over to canadian authorities and

2005
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:12,640
they never saw it again but what was

2006
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:13,840
important

2007
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:15,520
is that jackson

2008
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:17,280
was convinced when they found the

2009
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:19,920
shipwreck that the story was true

2010
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:21,360
then what he did

2011
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:23,760
is the the rest of the story talks about

2012
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:25,520
the ships coming over

2013
01:20:30,870 --> 01:20:28,080
they dropped off a party and they made

2014
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:30,880
their way to what is now hunter mountain

2015
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:33,440
and they found the temple of the goddess

2016
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:35,679
and a bunch of things happen

2017
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:38,320
and then they leave and come back

2018
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:41,199
jackson said we have to find now i know

2019
01:20:45,430 --> 01:20:43,040
the story's true that means there's

2020
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:45,440
something on in the catskill it didn't

2021
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:46,960
say hunter mountain right they didn't

2022
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,719
call it that back then

2023
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:50,159
but they knew that it was somewhere in

2024
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:53,199
the catskills from 1971

2025
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:56,800
to 1977 they searched every mountain

2026
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:58,800
they could in this area they thought it

2027
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:01,440
was it took them six years

2028
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:03,920
to find the location

2029
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:06,239
and don was up he said we went up every

2030
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:07,679
other weekend and we were on that

2031
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:08,960
mountain i said well how many times

2032
01:21:13,590 --> 01:21:11,760
you've been up there says i lost count

2033
01:21:15,510 --> 01:21:13,600
so he was going up on these tricks with

2034
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:15,520
with jackson and sometimes they'd have

2035
01:21:20,950 --> 01:21:18,800
other people with them but in 1977 is

2036
01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:20,960
when they found it they found

2037
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:24,239
the signature markers um

2038
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:27,440
on hunter and what they were looking for

2039
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:28,960
was the tomb

2040
01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:32,159
of altamara because altamara

2041
01:21:35,830 --> 01:21:34,080
if we go back to the story of the

2042
01:21:37,669 --> 01:21:35,840
cremona document

2043
01:21:38,709 --> 01:21:37,679
it's the story

2044
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:38,719
of

2045
01:21:44,310 --> 01:21:42,320
a templar knight named ralph the subtly

2046
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:44,320
whose mission

2047
01:21:49,189 --> 01:21:48,239
was to travel to antiora or to anteora

2048
01:21:50,630 --> 01:21:49,199
to

2049
01:21:52,790 --> 01:21:50,640
north america

2050
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:52,800
to the temple of the goddess in what is

2051
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,880
now the capsule mountains

2052
01:21:58,070 --> 01:21:56,400
to recover

2053
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,080
scrolls

2054
01:22:02,950 --> 01:22:00,719
that were hidden on hunter mountain

2055
01:22:06,310 --> 01:22:02,960
in the first century

2056
01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,320
how did he know about those scrolls

2057
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:08,880
the first part of the templar document

2058
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:11,440
is a firsthand narrative of the six

2059
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:13,120
templar knights

2060
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:14,560
that went under

2061
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,920
the temple mount in jerusalem

2062
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:19,920
in jerusalem

2063
01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:22,159
in detail

2064
01:22:27,030 --> 01:22:25,840
and tell us what they found they found a

2065
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:27,040
chamber

2066
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:28,159
underneath

2067
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:30,239
the temple

2068
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:32,400
they found four ossuaries and the

2069
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:35,120
contents of those ossuaries included

2070
01:22:40,629 --> 01:22:38,080
documents that told them about other

2071
01:22:43,189 --> 01:22:40,639
first century documents hidden in north

2072
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:43,199
america okay so now uh

2073
01:22:48,390 --> 01:22:46,080
i need to be clear here for the audience

2074
01:22:51,030 --> 01:22:48,400
that's what the document that's with the

2075
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:51,040
cremona document uh it's a first-hand

2076
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:56,239
narrative uh uh sir ralph day subtly

2077
01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:59,120
he's gonna go on a mission

2078
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:01,280
uh to recover

2079
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,840
first century scrolls that were hidden

2080
01:23:07,669 --> 01:23:05,520
in the catskills

2081
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:07,679
all right and they were hidden after the

2082
01:23:13,430 --> 01:23:10,560
romans destroyed jerusalem and

2083
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,440
you know dispersed the uh

2084
01:23:18,149 --> 01:23:15,600
the different traditions that existed at

2085
01:23:20,629 --> 01:23:18,159
that time that we talk about all the

2086
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:20,639
time that christianity has sort of

2087
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:22,639
morphed into a different version we now

2088
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:25,280
call roman catholicism but but the

2089
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:32,149
and they were so important they were

2090
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,639
taken to north america and hidden over

2091
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:36,880
here right

2092
01:23:40,870 --> 01:23:38,719
how did they get in the first century

2093
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:40,880
how did they get from there

2094
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:45,350
how did they say

2095
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:47,040
how did they get over there yeah they

2096
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:49,360
hit them they hid them in the catskills

2097
01:23:53,910 --> 01:23:51,040
of new york

2098
01:23:55,910 --> 01:23:53,920
in in the first century the the the get

2099
01:23:57,189 --> 01:23:55,920
over here yes i mean the cremona

2100
01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:57,199
document

2101
01:24:07,590 --> 01:23:58,880
oh god that's it i'm i'm coming to

2102
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:09,590
no seriously they took boats yeah they

2103
01:24:14,149 --> 01:24:12,960
took boats i know they took boats scott

2104
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:14,159
i know but

2105
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:15,760
i don't know i wasn't there i think they

2106
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:17,760
did it quietly you know just because

2107
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:19,120
somebody didn't write down that they

2108
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:20,719
came doesn't mean they didn't come right

2109
01:24:25,189 --> 01:24:23,360
that's my question right so there's

2110
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:25,199
logistics that are involved here that

2111
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:27,120
you you've got to get a crew together

2112
01:24:30,229 --> 01:24:28,719
you've got to get ships together you got

2113
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:30,239
to get the documents you got to get them

2114
01:24:34,709 --> 01:24:32,239
out of jerusalem you've got to get them

2115
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:34,719
on boats and get them over here i mean

2116
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:37,360
how did that mission happen or do we not

2117
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:38,960
know any of that

2118
01:24:42,390 --> 01:24:40,880
well i i at this point we don't know a

2119
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:42,400
heck of a lot about the details that

2120
01:24:45,669 --> 01:24:43,920
information but let me just back up for

2121
01:24:47,750 --> 01:24:45,679
a second go back to what we talked about

2122
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,760
at the very beginning of the show you

2123
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:49,760
were saying that there's a lot of

2124
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,360
controversial history about north

2125
01:24:55,350 --> 01:24:53,679
america the whole columbus thing is just

2126
01:24:56,950 --> 01:24:55,360
bs that there were people coming here

2127
01:24:58,870 --> 01:24:56,960
long before that you've heard of the

2128
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,880
copper culture right that's right up in

2129
01:25:02,470 --> 01:25:00,239
michigan

2130
01:25:03,990 --> 01:25:02,480
yep now

2131
01:25:06,149 --> 01:25:04,000
just for a second i mean we're talking

2132
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:06,159
about the bronze age which is

2133
01:25:10,870 --> 01:25:08,800
pre pre-jesus right

2134
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:10,880
now i've read certain documents that say

2135
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:14,400
that jesus's father was a tin merchant

2136
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:15,920
he dealt in tin

2137
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:18,320
which means that he would regularly sail

2138
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,920
to the british isles because that's

2139
01:25:23,750 --> 01:25:21,760
where tin is right

2140
01:25:25,830 --> 01:25:23,760
back then and today

2141
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:25,840
and if you study the copper culture at

2142
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:27,840
all they were coming phoenicians a lot

2143
01:25:32,070 --> 01:25:30,239
of people say and i agree with that

2144
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:32,080
would sail through the straits of

2145
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:34,080
gibraltar up through

2146
01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:35,840
the british isles and then take the

2147
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:38,320
northern route into

2148
01:25:43,110 --> 01:25:41,040
saint lawrence and the ottawa river up

2149
01:25:45,910 --> 01:25:43,120
into lake superior and they would pick

2150
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,920
copper up off the ground

2151
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:47,920
remember this is post glacial times

2152
01:25:52,470 --> 01:25:50,320
right we still to this day can find

2153
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:52,480
float copper on the ground imagine what

2154
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,239
it was like after the glaciers melted

2155
01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:56,719
away right it was laying everywhere

2156
01:26:02,310 --> 01:25:59,600
my point is on the back hall right they

2157
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:02,320
would stop in england get the tin and

2158
01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:03,840
then they would show up in europe and

2159
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:06,560
they would make billions the point is is

2160
01:26:11,590 --> 01:26:09,120
that this is secret knowledge that

2161
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:11,600
ship captains and sailors knew all about

2162
01:26:15,350 --> 01:26:14,400
this route for thousands of years

2163
01:26:16,229 --> 01:26:15,360
okay

2164
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:16,239
and

2165
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:18,480
people that were in elite positions

2166
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:21,120
right you know if people have influence

2167
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:23,600
a lot of them are in the shipping trade

2168
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:25,920
and merchants that made a lot of money

2169
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:27,920
and they had secrets

2170
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:30,080
like how to get to certain places that

2171
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:32,000
other people don't know how to go you

2172
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:34,159
can make a lot of money

2173
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:36,560
and hide stuff

2174
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:38,719
so i think you you can see where i'm

2175
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:40,880
going here this is knowledge that's been

2176
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:43,199
known for a long time within certain

2177
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:45,760
secret societies

2178
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:46,800
like

2179
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:49,280
ship captains and merchants

2180
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:51,920
and they certain merchants and they

2181
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:54,080
would they knew about these routes they

2182
01:26:59,270 --> 01:26:57,760
knew about this land over here i mean

2183
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,280
there were people who had a strong

2184
01:27:02,229 --> 01:27:01,280
interest in not telling people about

2185
01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:02,239
that

2186
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:03,920
uh because they wanted the wealth for

2187
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:06,000
themselves the roman church is

2188
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:07,600
a good example of that

2189
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:08,560
of the

2190
01:27:11,910 --> 01:27:10,800
leaders in ancient times they they had a

2191
01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:11,920
good gig you're not going to tell

2192
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:13,600
anybody where your best fish and hole is

2193
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:16,000
are you now uh we've got to head towards

2194
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:19,679
a break here but we we mentioned 1492 we

2195
01:27:24,590 --> 01:27:22,560
mentioned 1362 with the kensington but

2196
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:24,600
now we're pushing things back another

2197
01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:28,159
350 years or 250 years to the first

2198
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:30,840
century where the documents these

2199
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:32,719
scrolls uh

2200
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,840
were brought out of jerusalem we don't

2201
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:37,520
necessarily know that it was first

2202
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:40,400
century a.d that they were deposited

2203
01:27:44,790 --> 01:27:42,159
here right

2204
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:44,800
no i think it was probably well you know

2205
01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:46,560
what the answer to the honest answer is

2206
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:48,639
we don't know exactly when they got here

2207
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:50,560
but what we know is the contents of

2208
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:53,360
those journals which jackson and don

2209
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:55,920
eventually were able to decipher

2210
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:57,199
and and

2211
01:28:02,470 --> 01:27:58,960
very important information about the

2212
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:02,480
first century the royal family including

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the marriage document between yeshua ben

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joseph

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and

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mary

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of

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yeah yeah i think john published that so

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let her go okay you got it let's take a

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break right in his book i mean you mean

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you're talking about the list of yes of

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documents that were recovered on on on

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hunter i i'm just concerned about line

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number seven and we're going to do all

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of that when we come back all right all

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right let's do that scott walter is the

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okay welcome back fade to black our

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guest tonight scott walter

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01:33:31,990 --> 01:33:30,320
man what a story uh that we are uh

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putting together for everybody tonight

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we're talking about the lost templar

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journals of prince henry sinclair and

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01:33:40,790 --> 01:33:38,960
now we're we're we're at the catskill

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01:33:43,910 --> 01:33:40,800
we're at hunter mountain

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01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:43,920
and uh with uh dr jackson and i'm

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getting ready before i post uh

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the image of line number seven which

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01:33:54,550 --> 01:33:52,400
twitter is patiently uh waiting for

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01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:54,560
right now what did they what did they

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01:33:59,510 --> 01:33:57,360
find up on the catskills and

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01:34:02,790 --> 01:33:59,520
uh the second part of this is you get

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pulled into the story uh 2006

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01:34:10,149 --> 01:34:07,199
and the carving of uh this uh it's a

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goose right if if i'm not mistaken

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um you get pulled in to investigate this

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01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:16,960
um what did they find up there before i

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post this picture of uh

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of line number seven

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okay so what they found was

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in the story

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they

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ralphtha sutterly on his way over

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stops in denmark and he uh approaches

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the danish king at the time who was a

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templar knight

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and he the reason he went to him is he

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wanted somebody in their court the

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danish king's court

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01:34:48,629 --> 01:34:46,560
to go with them

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and that person was a woman

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01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:50,880
and her name was altamara

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01:34:55,270 --> 01:34:52,800
and the king said

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i'll release her from her duties here

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01:34:59,590 --> 01:34:57,920
uh but she someone has to marry her so

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01:35:01,830 --> 01:34:59,600
she married one of the knights that he

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01:35:05,590 --> 01:35:01,840
brought with him

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01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:05,600
and so then she leads them back here

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01:35:09,189 --> 01:35:07,360
she knows where hunter mountain is which

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01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:09,199
begs the question how the hell does she

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01:35:13,430 --> 01:35:11,760
know right well

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01:35:15,910 --> 01:35:13,440
it doesn't it never says anywhere in the

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01:35:18,390 --> 01:35:15,920
document my only speculation is she had

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to have been native american

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and been brought over to denmark from

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from there

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01:35:25,030 --> 01:35:23,840
so that tells you that there had to have

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01:35:26,950 --> 01:35:25,040
been

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multiple trips to

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to the new world by templar and and

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01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:30,320
other

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uh

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groups and

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that's the only thing i can conclude

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01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:36,719
well anyway she leads them to the

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mountain

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and as you read the story in the

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01:35:45,030 --> 01:35:42,560
narrative you grow to really

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01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:45,040
uh you really grow to like her

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01:35:49,830 --> 01:35:47,280
she's obviously very bright and

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and spiritual and and she knows where to

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01:35:53,990 --> 01:35:51,920
go and she brings them there but what

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01:35:56,149 --> 01:35:54,000
happens is there's a there's an ambush

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by a warring tribe of the people of the

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temple of the goddess and she's killed

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they burn her body they put her in a

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wooden box which is interesting maybe an

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ossuary perhaps

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and then they bury her her remains

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01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:11,440
they put her ashes in an urn urn in a

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01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:14,000
wooden box and they put it inside of a

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01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:16,159
small cave on hunter

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01:36:20,709 --> 01:36:18,560
and with offerings

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01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:20,719
and then they seal it

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01:36:25,990 --> 01:36:23,679
that is what jackson and and don

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01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:26,000
were looking for

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01:36:30,310 --> 01:36:27,360
and they found it

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on october 11th of 1977.

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incredible and and they found it and

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01:36:37,669 --> 01:36:36,080
what happened was but but what happened

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01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:37,679
then is very interesting and this is

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01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:39,760
what i write about my new book the

2390
01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:42,000
cremona document is published

2391
01:36:45,669 --> 01:36:43,520
but

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01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:45,679
i really wanted to know what was going

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01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:47,760
on in jackson's mind and he writes a

2394
01:36:52,629 --> 01:36:50,320
narrative he writes story

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01:36:54,390 --> 01:36:52,639
in the night early 90s about this whole

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01:36:56,070 --> 01:36:54,400
experience and he puts all this stuff

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01:36:58,229 --> 01:36:56,080
into context

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01:37:00,149 --> 01:36:58,239
and you you you hear the story i mean

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01:37:01,990 --> 01:37:00,159
i've heard it up until

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01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:02,000
well i read that thing about 10 years

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01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:04,000
ago but but i only knew it from don's

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01:37:09,030 --> 01:37:06,400
perspective but when i read jackson's

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01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:09,040
perspective it was really interesting

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01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:10,960
because what happened was because of his

2405
01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:13,440
experience with barry fell and other

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01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:15,840
scholars who were pooh-poohing

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01:37:19,350 --> 01:37:16,960
anything that had to do with

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01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:19,360
pre-columbian contact heaven forbid

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01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:21,600
we're gonna talk about the templars okay

2410
01:37:24,950 --> 01:37:22,960
that's why you don't hear about it

2411
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:24,960
because they're taboo my god we're not

2412
01:37:29,590 --> 01:37:27,199
going down that road

2413
01:37:31,350 --> 01:37:29,600
and he said screw it i'm not gonna i'm

2414
01:37:32,830 --> 01:37:31,360
not gonna publish this

2415
01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:32,840
he became so

2416
01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:35,280
disillusioned that he decided he was

2417
01:37:39,270 --> 01:37:37,199
going to write a novel

2418
01:37:40,950 --> 01:37:39,280
and tell the story in a novel which

2419
01:37:43,109 --> 01:37:40,960
people often do

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01:37:45,189 --> 01:37:43,119
who are worried about a negative

2421
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:45,199
backlash in some cases people are

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01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:46,560
worried about

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01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:48,639
about

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01:37:54,470 --> 01:37:52,560
somebody hurting them or killing them

2425
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:54,480
so he decided he was going to write a

2426
01:37:59,990 --> 01:37:57,280
novel but what happened was he he became

2427
01:38:02,229 --> 01:38:00,000
ill he he came down he had arterial

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01:38:04,149 --> 01:38:02,239
sclerosis he knew he wasn't going to

2429
01:38:06,070 --> 01:38:04,159
live long and

2430
01:38:08,310 --> 01:38:06,080
he turned he just said i passed this on

2431
01:38:09,189 --> 01:38:08,320
to the next person that next person was

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01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:09,199
done

2433
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:11,760
so dr jackson died that's the context of

2434
01:38:17,430 --> 01:38:14,480
what happened he died in 2000

2435
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:17,440
he died in 2000 but he wrote that

2436
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:19,920
narrative his is his reflections about

2437
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:23,199
the cremona document 1994

2438
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:25,040
and then he said about for the next six

2439
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:26,080
years

2440
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:28,400
figuring out clever ways to disseminate

2441
01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:30,560
the information that would eventually

2442
01:38:35,109 --> 01:38:32,480
make its way to don

2443
01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:35,119
any and it and it did

2444
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:37,360
everything of so

2445
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:40,560
his his collection right his research

2446
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,000
everything uh goes photographs documents

2447
01:38:48,310 --> 01:38:46,800
everything everything goes down

2448
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:48,320
let me tell you something jim

2449
01:38:55,590 --> 01:38:50,639
there's stuff that

2450
01:38:57,590 --> 01:38:55,600
that i'm working with them on now that's

2451
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:57,600
not in that book

2452
01:39:02,550 --> 01:38:59,920
and it's better than what's in that book

2453
01:39:04,310 --> 01:39:02,560
yeah you say that every time every time

2454
01:39:06,870 --> 01:39:04,320
you're on the show tell me i don't

2455
01:39:08,470 --> 01:39:06,880
deliver do i not deliver you do deliver

2456
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:08,480
you do delivery

2457
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:12,719
but i've always gotta wait um but

2458
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:16,000
i know okay so uh now now don takes over

2459
01:39:19,189 --> 01:39:17,119
the story

2460
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,199
uh takes over the research

2461
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:21,360
he's in possession of everything you get

2462
01:39:28,470 --> 01:39:24,480
pulled in in 2006 you don't really know

2463
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:28,480
who dr jackson is or his past

2464
01:39:33,990 --> 01:39:31,760
i didn't then right and what i now know

2465
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,000
is that

2466
01:39:37,270 --> 01:39:36,239
and i i forget if this is even in the

2467
01:39:40,629 --> 01:39:37,280
book

2468
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:40,639
but it turns out that bill jackson

2469
01:39:44,709 --> 01:39:42,320
his father

2470
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:44,719
was involved in some things back

2471
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:47,520
starting in the 20s

2472
01:39:52,830 --> 01:39:49,360
and 30s

2473
01:39:55,990 --> 01:39:52,840
that had to do with the irish

2474
01:39:57,669 --> 01:39:56,000
resistance and he got himself into some

2475
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:57,679
hot water

2476
01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:59,840
and he had to go into what was the

2477
01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:01,920
precursor to the witness protection

2478
01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:04,960
program and he changed his name

2479
01:40:10,629 --> 01:40:08,320
his last name was jackson

2480
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:12,470
so when we first got involved in the

2481
01:40:15,910 --> 01:40:14,639
story one of the first things i did was

2482
01:40:17,430 --> 01:40:15,920
i went on the internet and i tried to

2483
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:17,440
find bill jackson i couldn't find any

2484
01:40:20,310 --> 01:40:18,960
evidence of them anywhere exactly

2485
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:20,320
there's going to be nothing there that

2486
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:21,840
is

2487
01:40:25,270 --> 01:40:23,600
don't bother i can just tell you don't

2488
01:40:28,629 --> 01:40:25,280
bother and if you do you're gonna piss

2489
01:40:32,470 --> 01:40:28,639
people off okay i'm going to post now

2490
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:32,480
let's get this up here is uh

2491
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:33,440
the

2492
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:36,480
image of uh from

2493
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:39,440
one of the pages of the cremona document

2494
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:42,400
and this is up now with uh

2495
01:40:45,590 --> 01:40:43,440
which is

2496
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:45,600
it's got this line number seven in it i

2497
01:40:50,629 --> 01:40:47,119
want everybody to go all you gotta do is

2498
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:50,639
count one two three four five six seven

2499
01:40:55,750 --> 01:40:54,000
very interesting what's in line seven

2500
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:55,760
well why don't you read it to me because

2501
01:40:59,669 --> 01:40:57,920
i don't have it up i'm just i'm on my

2502
01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:59,679
phone sitting on the couch i think i

2503
01:41:03,250 --> 01:41:01,840
know what it is i don't i don't speak

2504
01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:03,260
thieban

2505
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:04,480
[Music]

2506
01:41:09,990 --> 01:41:07,119
well it's not stephen it's in french and

2507
01:41:13,270 --> 01:41:10,000
it's actually written in old hebrew

2508
01:41:15,030 --> 01:41:13,280
right yeshua ben yosef

2509
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:15,040
is that the one you're talking about yes

2510
01:41:18,629 --> 01:41:16,320
yes

2511
01:41:20,149 --> 01:41:18,639
basically what it is it's it's one of

2512
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:20,159
the documents

2513
01:41:25,669 --> 01:41:21,600
that was

2514
01:41:28,229 --> 01:41:25,679
because

2515
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:28,239
the subtlety didn't get everything

2516
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:30,560
he had to go through an uh a three-day

2517
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:33,840
ritual to earn the right

2518
01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:35,600
to get the scrolls after he came all

2519
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:37,280
that way and went through all that

2520
01:41:41,350 --> 01:41:39,360
adventure and all the things that

2521
01:41:43,510 --> 01:41:41,360
happened and

2522
01:41:46,070 --> 01:41:43,520
he he didn't get everything

2523
01:41:47,910 --> 01:41:46,080
he only got about half the documents but

2524
01:41:49,350 --> 01:41:47,920
one of the documents he got

2525
01:41:50,550 --> 01:41:49,360
was the marriage

2526
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:50,560
document

2527
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:51,600
of

2528
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:53,440
yeshua ben joseph

2529
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:57,119
yeshua is the real name of jesus

2530
01:42:01,910 --> 01:41:58,960
the biblical jesus

2531
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:01,920
ben yosef means jesus son of joseph

2532
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:04,800
which is interesting because

2533
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:06,960
that document

2534
01:42:12,149 --> 01:42:09,440
was deciphered before

2535
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:12,159
the tapia tomb was discovered

2536
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:14,239
and what does it say on that ash one of

2537
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,600
the ossuaries it says yeshua ben yosef

2538
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:19,920
exactly the same

2539
01:42:27,030 --> 01:42:20,880
and

2540
01:42:30,390 --> 01:42:27,040
miriam of migdal which is mary magdalene

2541
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:30,400
now there's two hooked x's here

2542
01:42:35,910 --> 01:42:33,679
yeah yeah there's two hooked axes and i

2543
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:35,920
don't is is that am i saying that is

2544
01:42:41,270 --> 01:42:38,560
that correct is that the king's english

2545
01:42:43,270 --> 01:42:41,280
two hooked exes but i guess

2546
01:42:46,629 --> 01:42:43,280
that would be correct that is the that's

2547
01:42:48,310 --> 01:42:46,639
right to hook that i mean a more a more

2548
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:48,320
proper way of saying would be two hooked

2549
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:50,880
x symbols and two hooked axe symbols

2550
01:42:56,950 --> 01:42:53,280
there you go that sounds right and

2551
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:56,960
they're clear as day scott yep

2552
01:43:00,310 --> 01:42:58,159
yep

2553
01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:00,320
there's more in there too um in the

2554
01:43:04,470 --> 01:43:02,480
document if you look carefully and then

2555
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:04,480
you'll find about a half dozen in the

2556
01:43:08,950 --> 01:43:07,520
cremona document but um again it's

2557
01:43:10,470 --> 01:43:08,960
associated with

2558
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:10,480
the templars

2559
01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:12,639
and it's associated with secret

2560
01:43:18,070 --> 01:43:16,080
activities and you know it's it's it

2561
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:18,080
really has multiple meanings but one of

2562
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:20,560
the things that i'm convinced of is that

2563
01:43:24,470 --> 01:43:22,880
when you see the hook decks in the

2564
01:43:26,790 --> 01:43:24,480
cremona documents that we're talking

2565
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:26,800
about now and in the documents we're

2566
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:28,480
going to talk about later because

2567
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:30,400
there's a bunch of them

2568
01:43:36,070 --> 01:43:31,520
in

2569
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:36,080
is that part of the reason they used it

2570
01:43:41,189 --> 01:43:38,719
i think was an acknowledgement of god it

2571
01:43:42,870 --> 01:43:41,199
was sort of like a good luck mark right

2572
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:42,880
you know how people kind of you know

2573
01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:44,719
they cross themselves chris you know

2574
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:46,639
catholics will cross themselves

2575
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:48,880
it was that kind of a thing it was like

2576
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:52,080
asking it was like a plea for protection

2577
01:43:56,390 --> 01:43:54,639
you know bless this honor this you know

2578
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:56,400
help this document you know whatever

2579
01:44:00,629 --> 01:43:58,560
however you want to term it and it was

2580
01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:00,639
with something that was very meaningful

2581
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:02,400
when people cross themselves they're

2582
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:04,159
thinking about their faith

2583
01:44:08,629 --> 01:44:06,880
well the hook decks was a representation

2584
01:44:10,629 --> 01:44:08,639
of their faith

2585
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:10,639
it just wasn't roman christianity it was

2586
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:12,320
a different faith it was a different

2587
01:44:15,510 --> 01:44:13,760
form

2588
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:15,520
of christianity

2589
01:44:19,669 --> 01:44:17,360
which is interesting because when people

2590
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:19,679
say christianity they assume it means

2591
01:44:23,350 --> 01:44:20,880
one thing

2592
01:44:25,750 --> 01:44:23,360
well that's not true there are different

2593
01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:25,760
kinds of christianity

2594
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:27,040
and

2595
01:44:31,030 --> 01:44:29,440
you know depending on what you believe

2596
01:44:32,709 --> 01:44:31,040
that's right for you

2597
01:44:35,189 --> 01:44:32,719
doesn't mean that it's right or wrong

2598
01:44:38,070 --> 01:44:35,199
right now some religions will say theirs

2599
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:38,080
is the only religion but that's not true

2600
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:39,679
it's just what they think is the right

2601
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:40,880
religion

2602
01:44:44,550 --> 01:44:42,800
now people are free free to believe what

2603
01:44:47,669 --> 01:44:44,560
they want

2604
01:44:48,790 --> 01:44:47,679
let's uh talk about your involvement in

2605
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:48,800
this because

2606
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:50,480
in a second we have to change gears and

2607
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:52,320
get to the other side of this story okay

2608
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:54,080
okay um so

2609
01:44:59,669 --> 01:44:57,040
uh you you get pulled in in 2006 you're

2610
01:45:02,149 --> 01:44:59,679
looking at this uh you're pulled in to

2611
01:45:05,910 --> 01:45:02,159
look at this uh

2612
01:45:08,709 --> 01:45:05,920
rock with uh it's a huge stone

2613
01:45:10,950 --> 01:45:08,719
but there is a carving of a goose there

2614
01:45:13,189 --> 01:45:10,960
um so tell us about that and again this

2615
01:45:15,669 --> 01:45:13,199
is on hunter mountain

2616
01:45:18,229 --> 01:45:15,679
right well there are several carvings on

2617
01:45:20,070 --> 01:45:18,239
the mountain that's just one of them and

2618
01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:20,080
um there are several carvings that have

2619
01:45:23,910 --> 01:45:21,280
been found

2620
01:45:25,750 --> 01:45:23,920
by don and others in the catskill

2621
01:45:27,510 --> 01:45:25,760
mountains i mean you know hunter is just

2622
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:27,520
one place there's stuff all over that

2623
01:45:31,830 --> 01:45:29,280
region there there are people wandering

2624
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:31,840
those places in ancient times

2625
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:33,360
and some of these carvings i think are

2626
01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:34,719
native american

2627
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:40,000
but um the goose carving was part of uh

2628
01:45:45,189 --> 01:45:42,880
shall i say a grid system

2629
01:45:46,229 --> 01:45:45,199
and that grid system

2630
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:46,239
uh

2631
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:47,760
helped us

2632
01:45:52,870 --> 01:45:49,600
well when let's let's just go back to

2633
01:45:57,030 --> 01:45:52,880
1977. when they found the tomb

2634
01:46:01,990 --> 01:46:00,070
they eventually reinterred them uh in a

2635
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:02,000
different place we don't know where that

2636
01:46:06,629 --> 01:46:04,880
is they're still up there someplace

2637
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:06,639
they're not in the urn none of the

2638
01:46:10,470 --> 01:46:08,320
original

2639
01:46:13,270 --> 01:46:10,480
uh artifacts that were found in

2640
01:46:14,470 --> 01:46:13,280
altamar's tomb are on the mountain in

2641
01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:14,480
fact there's really nothing on the

2642
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:16,880
mountain anymore to find

2643
01:46:23,270 --> 01:46:21,030
they found it

2644
01:46:26,229 --> 01:46:23,280
but it's it's um

2645
01:46:27,910 --> 01:46:26,239
so some of the things that were found

2646
01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:27,920
one of the things that was found in the

2647
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:28,960
tomb

2648
01:46:33,270 --> 01:46:30,719
with

2649
01:46:36,310 --> 01:46:33,280
the urn and the artifacts including a

2650
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:36,320
diamond that has a story

2651
01:46:40,470 --> 01:46:38,800
an uncut diamond a large uncut diamond

2652
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:40,480
that has a whole mystery

2653
01:46:45,750 --> 01:46:42,239
uh of its own

2654
01:46:46,870 --> 01:46:45,760
but there was also another tube found in

2655
01:46:48,229 --> 01:46:46,880
the cave

2656
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:48,239
in the tomb

2657
01:46:53,830 --> 01:46:51,520
and in it was a map

2658
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:53,840
that we used

2659
01:46:59,030 --> 01:46:55,360
with the carvings on the mountain

2660
01:47:01,910 --> 01:46:59,040
including the goose that led us to dig

2661
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:01,920
and we found another inscribed stone

2662
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:04,560
that had the same symbols on it that

2663
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:06,880
were on that stone that tightened the

2664
01:47:11,109 --> 01:47:09,040
brass strap on the shipwreck that was

2665
01:47:12,310 --> 01:47:11,119
found right

2666
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:12,320
and

2667
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:14,320
on the back side there were roman

2668
01:47:17,910 --> 01:47:15,920
numbers that were a latitude and a

2669
01:47:21,189 --> 01:47:17,920
longitude

2670
01:47:24,629 --> 01:47:21,199
and the words in camera which is latin

2671
01:47:27,910 --> 01:47:24,639
for in chamber entomb in secret it's

2672
01:47:29,109 --> 01:47:27,920
actually today used in in uh

2673
01:47:32,149 --> 01:47:29,119
uh

2674
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:32,159
it's a lot a term of law which means

2675
01:47:36,310 --> 01:47:34,960
uh we're gonna when when a judge says to

2676
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:36,320
the lawyers we're going to meet in

2677
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:37,840
camera it means we're going to go in my

2678
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:40,719
chambers and meet secretly privately

2679
01:47:46,629 --> 01:47:44,320
and that latitude and longitude

2680
01:47:48,709 --> 01:47:46,639
when you correct it for the paris

2681
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:48,719
meridian which is the templar meridian

2682
01:47:52,629 --> 01:47:51,040
not greenwich takes you to a very

2683
01:47:53,830 --> 01:47:52,639
interesting place

2684
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:53,840
but that was

2685
01:47:59,189 --> 01:47:56,239
what we found in our time

2686
01:48:01,510 --> 01:47:59,199
and i can tell you this i now know

2687
01:48:03,990 --> 01:48:01,520
that that

2688
01:48:07,189 --> 01:48:04,000
map that was put in that tube inside

2689
01:48:11,430 --> 01:48:07,199
altamura's tomb that jackson found

2690
01:48:12,790 --> 01:48:11,440
was placed there in the 17th century

2691
01:48:15,510 --> 01:48:12,800
which means

2692
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:15,520
somebody else had been on the mountain

2693
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:16,560
prior

2694
01:48:20,149 --> 01:48:18,639
to jackson right

2695
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:20,159
you know that's just you know this is

2696
01:48:26,550 --> 01:48:22,560
150 years earlier but this is like the

2697
01:48:29,350 --> 01:48:26,560
greatest story ever told um it's amazing

2698
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:29,360
and it gets better but but in the at the

2699
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:30,880
in the end

2700
01:48:34,870 --> 01:48:33,840
um they found everything that was in the

2701
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:34,880
tomb

2702
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:36,639
and

2703
01:48:40,709 --> 01:48:39,040
then jackson because of his disillusion

2704
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:40,719
illusionment

2705
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:42,880
buried everything in places and

2706
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:44,800
eventually don

2707
01:48:49,189 --> 01:48:46,960
got them he got them piecemeal over a

2708
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:49,199
period of years some of the things he

2709
01:48:54,310 --> 01:48:52,080
didn't get until his colleagues died

2710
01:48:56,470 --> 01:48:54,320
who's got all the and now we got enough

2711
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:56,480
of the pieces of the puzzle to help him

2712
01:49:00,550 --> 01:48:58,480
put it all together okay who's got the

2713
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:00,560
where's the urn today where's the tube

2714
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:02,800
today where's the map today

2715
01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:04,560
uh

2716
01:49:09,430 --> 01:49:06,320
the originals

2717
01:49:11,830 --> 01:49:09,440
the the what what what jackson left that

2718
01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:11,840
map that we used to find the stone and

2719
01:49:14,950 --> 01:49:13,040
and the

2720
01:49:19,270 --> 01:49:14,960
piece of gypsum the optical gypsum for

2721
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:22,709
don still has that stuff but the map was

2722
01:49:26,870 --> 01:49:25,199
a copy that jackson hid in the back of

2723
01:49:29,910 --> 01:49:26,880
an old picture

2724
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:29,920
along with some uh floppy disks this

2725
01:49:34,149 --> 01:49:32,000
tells you how long ago this was right

2726
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:34,159
but on the floppy disk were pictures of

2727
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:35,840
the cremona document

2728
01:49:41,830 --> 01:49:39,280
and where's the uncut diamond

2729
01:49:44,870 --> 01:49:41,840
the uncut diamond i i'd have to go back

2730
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:44,880
and look but it was sold eight times

2731
01:49:49,910 --> 01:49:47,840
seriously i'm not making the story up

2732
01:49:52,070 --> 01:49:49,920
eight times within

2733
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:52,080
three years

2734
01:49:55,590 --> 01:49:54,159
all eight people were dead within six

2735
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:55,600
months

2736
01:49:59,350 --> 01:49:57,440
always the number eight or the number

2737
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:59,360
12. i don't i don't know why that is

2738
01:50:04,149 --> 01:50:01,040
scott

2739
01:50:06,790 --> 01:50:04,159
yeah or 13. okay

2740
01:50:08,790 --> 01:50:06,800
now yeah that's true that's 100 i mean

2741
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:08,800
it's written in there it's that's the

2742
01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:10,719
story of that diamond it was an uncut

2743
01:50:15,510 --> 01:50:13,199
diamond and when they finally cut it it

2744
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:15,520
was a three carat diamond

2745
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:17,199
so then imagine how big it was in the

2746
01:50:22,629 --> 01:50:18,800
rough i think it was like 10 carats in

2747
01:50:25,189 --> 01:50:22,639
the rough in 2017

2748
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:25,199
an envelope arrives from europe i don't

2749
01:50:28,390 --> 01:50:26,719
know how

2750
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:28,400
you are at the right place at the right

2751
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:29,840
time donna's at the right place at the

2752
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:31,679
right time jackson

2753
01:50:35,270 --> 01:50:33,840
but you guys

2754
01:50:37,189 --> 01:50:35,280
seem to be at the right place at the

2755
01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:37,199
right time through all of this and

2756
01:50:42,229 --> 01:50:39,040
including the second half of the story

2757
01:50:43,750 --> 01:50:42,239
when we uh do this after the break again

2758
01:50:46,149 --> 01:50:43,760
all of this is coming together you're

2759
01:50:48,149 --> 01:50:46,159
flying by i can't believe i know this is

2760
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:48,159
going slow down what was in that

2761
01:50:55,030 --> 01:50:50,800
envelope that arrived from europe

2762
01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:55,040
oh that's that that's a beauty man

2763
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:56,639
you want me to tell you about it i do i

2764
01:51:01,030 --> 01:50:58,320
want to tell you oh i didn't hear you

2765
01:51:02,470 --> 01:51:01,040
well what happened is um and this is so

2766
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:02,480
ironic i'm just going to tell you the

2767
01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:05,679
story because what happened is

2768
01:51:10,229 --> 01:51:08,320
don was working with a a

2769
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:10,239
dear friend of all of ours xena helper

2770
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:12,480
and she passed away a few months ago

2771
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:14,239
she was involved in this story with

2772
01:51:19,270 --> 01:51:16,159
actually she don approached her before

2773
01:51:20,790 --> 01:51:19,280
she approached me she suggested don

2774
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:20,800
get me involved to look at these

2775
01:51:25,350 --> 01:51:22,560
inscribed stones

2776
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:25,360
anyway she worked on this story for 13

2777
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:26,400
years

2778
01:51:32,470 --> 01:51:30,400
and xena did a lot of really great work

2779
01:51:35,990 --> 01:51:32,480
unfortunately what happened is

2780
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:36,000
she was not in the greatest of health

2781
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:37,520
and

2782
01:51:41,189 --> 01:51:39,920
she wanted to help the brothers on oak

2783
01:51:41,990 --> 01:51:41,199
island

2784
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:42,000
so

2785
01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:44,800
had

2786
01:51:49,430 --> 01:51:46,400
and she showed it to him and she got on

2787
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:49,440
the show the brothers used it

2788
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:50,800
some of the stuff she showed them was

2789
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:52,960
great the map the nova scotia map that

2790
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:54,480
thing's awesome hook decks on there

2791
01:51:58,229 --> 01:51:56,159
everything else

2792
01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:58,239
but the other map that she showed them

2793
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:00,560
the oak island map which they used i

2794
01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:04,639
think last season and the season before

2795
01:52:07,510 --> 01:52:06,320
don didn't realize that at the time he

2796
01:52:09,430 --> 01:52:07,520
gave it to her

2797
01:52:12,790 --> 01:52:09,440
but since that time he has come to

2798
01:52:15,030 --> 01:52:12,800
realize he found a letter from 1979 that

2799
01:52:17,350 --> 01:52:15,040
map was fake

2800
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:17,360
she didn't know about it at the time

2801
01:52:21,990 --> 01:52:19,520
anyway so the brothers were all excited

2802
01:52:24,470 --> 01:52:22,000
about this xena was in ill health so

2803
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:24,480
they approached don

2804
01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:25,520
and

2805
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:27,679
don was

2806
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:28,800
had

2807
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:32,159
for whatever reasons he was skeptical

2808
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:33,760
i happened to

2809
01:52:38,149 --> 01:52:35,599
take a trip a year and a half ago to new

2810
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:38,159
york i called donnie said hey don what

2811
01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:39,599
are you doing can i come by and see you

2812
01:52:44,870 --> 01:52:42,719
i just wanted to stop by and see him

2813
01:52:47,910 --> 01:52:44,880
a week before i was there he got that

2814
01:52:51,189 --> 01:52:47,920
envelope it was mailed to him

2815
01:52:52,629 --> 01:52:51,199
and what that envelope contained

2816
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:52,639
were pictures

2817
01:52:57,430 --> 01:52:55,040
of a letter

2818
01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:00,870
jackson's daughter melissa

2819
01:53:06,310 --> 01:53:03,280
had found

2820
01:53:08,390 --> 01:53:06,320
that spring a year ago last spring

2821
01:53:10,830 --> 01:53:08,400
when she was preparing to move to

2822
01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:10,840
scotland from ireland where she was

2823
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:13,199
living and

2824
01:53:17,030 --> 01:53:15,360
she um

2825
01:53:18,629 --> 01:53:17,040
she found this envelope and then there

2826
01:53:20,870 --> 01:53:18,639
was a letter that said

2827
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:20,880
you know if anything happens to me make

2828
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:22,560
sure don gets this and for whatever

2829
01:53:27,510 --> 01:53:24,560
reason she misplaced it and never got it

2830
01:53:29,669 --> 01:53:27,520
to him and

2831
01:53:32,709 --> 01:53:29,679
so

2832
01:53:34,709 --> 01:53:32,719
in there were pictures of this letter

2833
01:53:36,470 --> 01:53:34,719
and

2834
01:53:38,550 --> 01:53:36,480
some other stuff

2835
01:53:40,709 --> 01:53:38,560
and it just that that's that's how this

2836
01:53:42,070 --> 01:53:40,719
stuff comes it's like donda is just

2837
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:42,080
sitting there minding his own business

2838
01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:44,080
all of a sudden something happens and an

2839
01:53:47,510 --> 01:53:45,520
envelope shows up and here's another

2840
01:53:49,510 --> 01:53:47,520
piece of this puzzle it's incredible

2841
01:53:51,910 --> 01:53:49,520
it's almost like

2842
01:53:55,350 --> 01:53:51,920
bill jackson never died it's like he's

2843
01:53:57,669 --> 01:53:55,360
playing this game with all of us

2844
01:53:59,350 --> 01:53:57,679
but he's finally letting us see all the

2845
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:59,360
pieces and

2846
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:01,280
um

2847
01:54:06,709 --> 01:54:04,239
it's just incredible i i i wished i

2848
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:06,719
would have met this guy because i i i'm

2849
01:54:11,350 --> 01:54:08,560
starting to understand how he thinks and

2850
01:54:13,589 --> 01:54:11,360
how glowingly don talked

2851
01:54:15,830 --> 01:54:13,599
talks about bill jackson his friend that

2852
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:15,840
he met him when he was when he was seven

2853
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:17,520
years old they've known each other their

2854
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:18,960
whole lives

2855
01:54:23,109 --> 01:54:21,360
and it's it's a it's a it's a beautiful

2856
01:54:24,629 --> 01:54:23,119
story and and

2857
01:54:27,750 --> 01:54:24,639
here's these guys that were doing all

2858
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:27,760
this crazy stuff and nefarious stuff and

2859
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:31,679
and and doing i can tell you this

2860
01:54:36,470 --> 01:54:33,440
the work that they used to do was

2861
01:54:39,830 --> 01:54:36,480
dealing with really bad people

2862
01:54:41,189 --> 01:54:39,840
really bad people the worst of the worst

2863
01:54:43,589 --> 01:54:41,199
and helping

2864
01:54:45,910 --> 01:54:43,599
certain entities of our government

2865
01:54:47,589 --> 01:54:45,920
capture bad guys

2866
01:54:49,270 --> 01:54:47,599
and i can tell you stories that you

2867
01:54:50,550 --> 01:54:49,280
would just

2868
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:50,560
never forget

2869
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:53,440
about things that don and bill

2870
01:54:57,270 --> 01:54:55,360
and their and and spartan and all these

2871
01:54:59,830 --> 01:54:57,280
guys did that that the world will never

2872
01:55:02,629 --> 01:54:59,840
know about

2873
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:02,639
but we're safer and the world is better

2874
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:04,960
because of the work they did now with

2875
01:55:10,629 --> 01:55:07,760
all of your work going back uh you know

2876
01:55:13,510 --> 01:55:10,639
the to the kensington runestone uh which

2877
01:55:16,870 --> 01:55:13,520
was 1362 but

2878
01:55:20,950 --> 01:55:16,880
the cremona document uh the

2879
01:55:23,589 --> 01:55:20,960
uh the discoveries at hunter mountain

2880
01:55:25,589 --> 01:55:23,599
all of this documentation now

2881
01:55:28,229 --> 01:55:25,599
is supporting everything that you have

2882
01:55:30,070 --> 01:55:28,239
been saying all along

2883
01:55:32,709 --> 01:55:30,080
why doesn't this start to blow doors

2884
01:55:34,709 --> 01:55:32,719
down i mean this seems to me

2885
01:55:36,149 --> 01:55:34,719
that

2886
01:55:37,990 --> 01:55:36,159
i don't know what other supporting

2887
01:55:40,790 --> 01:55:38,000
evidence needs to happen well we'll

2888
01:55:43,270 --> 01:55:40,800
cover that after the break but i i can

2889
01:55:45,189 --> 01:55:43,280
answer that question real quick

2890
01:55:47,669 --> 01:55:45,199
jim excuse me for interrupting but you

2891
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:47,679
make a great point but let me just be

2892
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:48,639
clear

2893
01:55:52,390 --> 01:55:51,040
i am not i'm a hundred percent with don

2894
01:55:55,669 --> 01:55:52,400
now because i've been on the mountain

2895
01:55:58,149 --> 01:55:55,679
and i've seen all the stuff

2896
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:58,159
the the the prince henry journalist

2897
01:56:04,709 --> 01:56:01,280
we're going to talk about i am 99

2898
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:04,719
sure that their that story's true

2899
01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:06,000
i'll be 100

2900
01:56:10,149 --> 01:56:08,000
when we pull something out of the ground

2901
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:10,159
and fortunately with that story i've

2902
01:56:14,709 --> 01:56:12,000
already pulled stuff out of the ground

2903
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:14,719
literally with the cremona document but

2904
01:56:19,830 --> 01:56:17,280
with the with the uh prince henry stuff

2905
01:56:21,270 --> 01:56:19,840
we have not done that yet we are going

2906
01:56:23,750 --> 01:56:21,280
to do that

2907
01:56:25,430 --> 01:56:23,760
but that has to happen before i'm 100

2908
01:56:27,669 --> 01:56:25,440
on board

2909
01:56:29,830 --> 01:56:27,679
does that make sense yeah it does and

2910
01:56:31,589 --> 01:56:29,840
really quick and you can answer this in

2911
01:56:33,510 --> 01:56:31,599
in a quick manner we've got about uh

2912
01:56:36,870 --> 01:56:33,520
sure two minutes

2913
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:36,880
have you put your hands on the urn

2914
01:56:42,470 --> 01:56:40,000
no i have not because jackson sold it

2915
01:56:44,550 --> 01:56:42,480
that was part of the part of the

2916
01:56:46,790 --> 01:56:44,560
disillusionment that he went through and

2917
01:56:48,470 --> 01:56:46,800
he said he basically said screw it i'm

2918
01:56:51,109 --> 01:56:48,480
just going to sell this stuff and a lot

2919
01:56:53,109 --> 01:56:51,119
of it had to do and and i'm not i'm not

2920
01:56:54,550 --> 01:56:53,119
here to try to bang on barry fell

2921
01:56:56,629 --> 01:56:54,560
because barry fell did a lot of good

2922
01:56:58,950 --> 01:56:56,639
work and he deserves credit for the good

2923
01:57:01,270 --> 01:56:58,960
work that he did he did this was not one

2924
01:57:03,270 --> 01:57:01,280
of his shining moments right but because

2925
01:57:04,709 --> 01:57:03,280
of what happened with barry fell and

2926
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:04,719
other scholars

2927
01:57:08,550 --> 01:57:06,960
that pooh-poohed everything

2928
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:08,560
um and and

2929
01:57:12,950 --> 01:57:11,440
it was it's bad he just he became

2930
01:57:14,470 --> 01:57:12,960
disillusioned he said screw it i'm not

2931
01:57:16,550 --> 01:57:14,480
even gonna bother i'm just gonna sell

2932
01:57:19,430 --> 01:57:16,560
the stuff get my money what he did do is

2933
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:19,440
take the ashes and they reinterred them

2934
01:57:23,510 --> 01:57:21,440
in something that was

2935
01:57:25,350 --> 01:57:23,520
far less glamorous than the urn and i'll

2936
01:57:27,109 --> 01:57:25,360
leave it at that

2937
01:57:29,189 --> 01:57:27,119
and he reinterred it in a different

2938
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:29,199
place and don told me don't bother

2939
01:57:33,510 --> 01:57:31,520
looking he said you'll never find it and

2940
01:57:35,270 --> 01:57:33,520
that's okay because i think we should

2941
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:35,280
just leave

2942
01:57:39,189 --> 01:57:37,040
uh auntie uh

2943
01:57:41,270 --> 01:57:39,199
altamara um

2944
01:57:44,390 --> 01:57:41,280
alone leave her leave her to rest and

2945
01:57:46,390 --> 01:57:44,400
and we know her story and uh we don't go

2946
01:57:48,790 --> 01:57:46,400
digging up other people's graves she's

2947
01:57:50,790 --> 01:57:48,800
been dug up once let's let's leave her

2948
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:50,800
yeah yeah when you when you consider

2949
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:52,800
barry fell who

2950
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:54,000
and if you've

2951
01:57:57,510 --> 01:57:56,080
if you're part of this little circle

2952
01:58:00,790 --> 01:57:57,520
where you're studying this and

2953
01:58:03,189 --> 01:58:00,800
researching this he on one side harvard

2954
01:58:05,830 --> 01:58:03,199
university marine biologist

2955
01:58:09,109 --> 01:58:05,840
life is good he starts writing books

2956
01:58:11,750 --> 01:58:09,119
about you know pre-columbian history

2957
01:58:14,310 --> 01:58:11,760
egyptians and phoenicians and your

2958
01:58:16,870 --> 01:58:14,320
career is toast and that's that that's

2959
01:58:18,629 --> 01:58:16,880
what happened to uh barry fell

2960
01:58:20,629 --> 01:58:18,639
you know but and we have to give him

2961
01:58:22,470 --> 01:58:20,639
credit for for being

2962
01:58:24,229 --> 01:58:22,480
brave to do it because he thought it was

2963
01:58:25,669 --> 01:58:24,239
the right thing and i'll always respect

2964
01:58:28,310 --> 01:58:25,679
him for that that's right but he was

2965
01:58:30,149 --> 01:58:28,320
human too we all make mistakes and it's

2966
01:58:32,229 --> 01:58:30,159
just the way the world works let's take

2967
01:58:34,709 --> 01:58:32,239
a break right here our guest tonight is

2968
01:58:36,790 --> 01:58:34,719
the one and only scott walter now when

2969
01:58:38,629 --> 01:58:36,800
we come back we're going to talk about

2970
01:58:40,790 --> 01:58:38,639
those lost templar journals of prince

2971
01:58:42,870 --> 01:58:40,800
henry sinclair who was

2972
01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:42,880
prince henry sinclair

2973
01:58:45,910 --> 01:58:44,320
and the documents we'll do all of that

2974
01:58:50,790 --> 01:58:45,920
when we come back stay with us this is

2975
01:58:58,390 --> 01:58:52,149
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02:03:50,390 --> 02:03:47,040
welcome back fade to black i'm here to

3083
02:03:52,390 --> 02:03:50,400
be church guest tonight scott walter

3084
02:03:55,189 --> 02:03:52,400
all right now we've got the set up now

3085
02:03:57,350 --> 02:03:55,199
we're going to close this thing out

3086
02:04:00,070 --> 02:03:57,360
the lost templar journals of

3087
02:04:02,229 --> 02:04:00,080
prince or is it earl um

3088
02:04:05,189 --> 02:04:02,239
is it prince or is it you know what the

3089
02:04:07,669 --> 02:04:05,199
proper term is earl henry sinclair

3090
02:04:09,189 --> 02:04:07,679
technically he was an heir to the throne

3091
02:04:11,109 --> 02:04:09,199
so prince

3092
02:04:13,589 --> 02:04:11,119
prince is right but in the scottish

3093
02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:13,599
system it would be earl and that is the

3094
02:04:18,070 --> 02:04:16,800
voice of our guest scott walter

3095
02:04:21,990 --> 02:04:18,080
sorry

3096
02:04:25,109 --> 02:04:22,000
no i i i need to you know we need to

3097
02:04:28,070 --> 02:04:25,119
have some uh clarification here because

3098
02:04:30,709 --> 02:04:28,080
i've seen it written both ways

3099
02:04:33,109 --> 02:04:30,719
right and and yeah so i but i think

3100
02:04:35,669 --> 02:04:33,119
really the the proper term

3101
02:04:39,350 --> 02:04:35,679
would be earl earl henry sinclair okay

3102
02:04:43,030 --> 02:04:39,360
who was who was henry

3103
02:04:46,390 --> 02:04:43,040
well henry was uh he was a scottish earl

3104
02:04:47,910 --> 02:04:46,400
and um he was basically born into a very

3105
02:04:52,470 --> 02:04:47,920
prominent family

3106
02:04:54,310 --> 02:04:52,480
a long list of uh of earls that uh

3107
02:04:55,510 --> 02:04:54,320
in the sinclair clan i mean they weren't

3108
02:04:57,830 --> 02:04:55,520
the only

3109
02:04:59,750 --> 02:04:57,840
uh earls in scotland but they were one

3110
02:05:02,229 --> 02:04:59,760
of the more powerful families and i

3111
02:05:04,070 --> 02:05:02,239
think some would say probably the most

3112
02:05:06,550 --> 02:05:04,080
powerful family during

3113
02:05:07,990 --> 02:05:06,560
during that time and

3114
02:05:09,990 --> 02:05:08,000
you know it's there's been a lot of

3115
02:05:11,910 --> 02:05:10,000
speculation about

3116
02:05:13,430 --> 02:05:11,920
about the sinclairs and

3117
02:05:15,430 --> 02:05:13,440
uh being the

3118
02:05:18,629 --> 02:05:15,440
uh hereditary grand masters of the

3119
02:05:21,910 --> 02:05:20,390
and i think there's some truth to that

3120
02:05:25,430 --> 02:05:21,920
but i think

3121
02:05:27,109 --> 02:05:25,440
there's been some misunderstanding about

3122
02:05:28,470 --> 02:05:27,119
what exactly

3123
02:05:31,030 --> 02:05:28,480
um

3124
02:05:33,109 --> 02:05:31,040
the nights what nights templar order are

3125
02:05:35,030 --> 02:05:33,119
you talking about and

3126
02:05:36,950 --> 02:05:35,040
i don't want to get too far down into

3127
02:05:38,870 --> 02:05:36,960
that well because there are many templar

3128
02:05:40,550 --> 02:05:38,880
orders that exist to this you know

3129
02:05:41,910 --> 02:05:40,560
especially today

3130
02:05:43,990 --> 02:05:41,920
and there were

3131
02:05:46,229 --> 02:05:44,000
templar orders that existed

3132
02:05:47,030 --> 02:05:46,239
multiple orders that existed back then

3133
02:05:49,910 --> 02:05:47,040
too

3134
02:05:52,470 --> 02:05:49,920
um was he part of the was he part of the

3135
02:05:56,070 --> 02:05:52,480
sinclair the the

3136
02:05:57,270 --> 02:05:56,080
the the rosalind chapel and correct that

3137
02:06:01,030 --> 02:05:57,280
side

3138
02:06:02,790 --> 02:06:01,040
yes his earl henry's grandson

3139
02:06:04,070 --> 02:06:02,800
william saint claire his direct

3140
02:06:06,629 --> 02:06:04,080
descendant

3141
02:06:10,149 --> 02:06:06,639
built roslin chapel right

3142
02:06:12,950 --> 02:06:10,159
so yes that is of that same line and

3143
02:06:14,790 --> 02:06:12,960
so in this in this late then this first

3144
02:06:18,149 --> 02:06:14,800
book that's published

3145
02:06:19,430 --> 02:06:18,159
um and if you if you read uh

3146
02:06:22,709 --> 02:06:19,440
the the

3147
02:06:25,430 --> 02:06:22,719
my blog post i and and you read the book

3148
02:06:27,270 --> 02:06:25,440
you find out that there are actually 20

3149
02:06:29,030 --> 02:06:27,280
books

3150
02:06:30,950 --> 02:06:29,040
in this collection that was found by

3151
02:06:32,550 --> 02:06:30,960
this

3152
02:06:35,350 --> 02:06:32,560
friend of ours and

3153
02:06:38,310 --> 02:06:35,360
close uh colleague and associate

3154
02:06:40,709 --> 02:06:38,320
uh diana muir she found about

3155
02:06:41,910 --> 02:06:40,719
14 years ago i guess it is now 15 years

3156
02:06:43,589 --> 02:06:41,920
ago

3157
02:06:47,030 --> 02:06:43,599
she found this collection of journals

3158
02:06:49,270 --> 02:06:47,040
inside of a saddlebag inside of a chest

3159
02:06:52,470 --> 02:06:49,280
that had been rescued from a fire in a

3160
02:06:54,470 --> 02:06:52,480
church that burned down in 1880 and this

3161
02:06:55,589 --> 02:06:54,480
this thing ended up in the historical

3162
02:06:57,030 --> 02:06:55,599
society

3163
02:07:01,430 --> 02:06:57,040
and

3164
02:07:03,270 --> 02:07:01,440
apparently didn't either look at them or

3165
02:07:04,870 --> 02:07:03,280
when they did they saw that the writing

3166
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:04,880
they couldn't read they were most of

3167
02:07:07,830 --> 02:07:06,400
them were in latin some of them are in

3168
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:07,840
old english

3169
02:07:12,709 --> 02:07:09,920
and they just and and there was this

3170
02:07:16,550 --> 02:07:12,719
wrapped up leather she called it a

3171
02:07:20,229 --> 02:07:16,560
burrito which was actually a map

3172
02:07:21,830 --> 02:07:20,239
that was made by antonio zeno who was

3173
02:07:23,910 --> 02:07:21,840
the navigator

3174
02:07:26,149 --> 02:07:23,920
and one of two xenos that went over to

3175
02:07:28,069 --> 02:07:26,159
the western lands with

3176
02:07:30,229 --> 02:07:28,079
earl henry sinclair that you will read

3177
02:07:34,629 --> 02:07:30,239
about in the next installment of this

3178
02:07:38,470 --> 02:07:36,629
in 2019

3179
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:38,480
so

3180
02:07:43,189 --> 02:07:40,800
what we're talking about is 20 journals

3181
02:07:45,270 --> 02:07:43,199
that were part of a father to son

3182
02:07:48,950 --> 02:07:45,280
tradition

3183
02:07:52,870 --> 02:07:48,960
that started with earl henry sinclair

3184
02:07:55,109 --> 02:07:52,880
who passed on the journals to his son

3185
02:07:56,790 --> 02:07:55,119
who passed him on to his son and his son

3186
02:07:57,669 --> 02:07:56,800
and his son

3187
02:08:00,310 --> 02:07:57,679
um

3188
02:08:03,189 --> 02:08:00,320
after five generations of sinclairs

3189
02:08:06,069 --> 02:08:03,199
these journals then transferred to

3190
02:08:08,870 --> 02:08:06,079
a different family the daughter of the

3191
02:08:10,870 --> 02:08:08,880
uh uh of the fourth

3192
02:08:13,589 --> 02:08:10,880
generation of sinclairs and the brother

3193
02:08:16,550 --> 02:08:13,599
of the fifth generation of sinclairs

3194
02:08:18,069 --> 02:08:16,560
gave the journals to her husband

3195
02:08:20,709 --> 02:08:18,079
um

3196
02:08:23,750 --> 02:08:20,719
because she didn't trust her brothers

3197
02:08:25,189 --> 02:08:23,760
that they would honor the

3198
02:08:27,109 --> 02:08:25,199
agreement

3199
02:08:28,470 --> 02:08:27,119
that was made

3200
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:28,480
at the beginning

3201
02:08:32,870 --> 02:08:30,639
now scott before we jump into the

3202
02:08:35,510 --> 02:08:32,880
content of the journals

3203
02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:35,520
uh let's address something very directly

3204
02:08:45,830 --> 02:08:43,669
i think so yeah i think i think they are

3205
02:08:48,229 --> 02:08:45,840
but what we're still trying to figure

3206
02:08:51,030 --> 02:08:48,239
out and i i don't know how much time we

3207
02:08:53,350 --> 02:08:51,040
want to spend on what's happened in the

3208
02:08:55,109 --> 02:08:53,360
last couple of years because it's it's

3209
02:09:00,149 --> 02:08:55,119
it's

3210
02:09:01,589 --> 02:09:00,159
uh the cremona document maybe more in

3211
02:09:04,790 --> 02:09:01,599
some ways but

3212
02:09:06,790 --> 02:09:04,800
um really the the simple story is is the

3213
02:09:09,030 --> 02:09:06,800
person that found them

3214
02:09:11,430 --> 02:09:09,040
uh and translated them i think she's

3215
02:09:12,790 --> 02:09:11,440
done an excellent job as far as i can

3216
02:09:15,510 --> 02:09:12,800
tell

3217
02:09:17,510 --> 02:09:15,520
uh with her translations because we have

3218
02:09:22,069 --> 02:09:17,520
spent two and a half years

3219
02:09:25,030 --> 02:09:22,079
vetting the events the places the names

3220
02:09:27,589 --> 02:09:25,040
of these journals and

3221
02:09:30,709 --> 02:09:27,599
we have not found a red flag yet we have

3222
02:09:33,910 --> 02:09:30,719
some yellow flags okay we have questions

3223
02:09:35,669 --> 02:09:33,920
about certain parts of the journals but

3224
02:09:36,709 --> 02:09:35,679
no red flags

3225
02:09:38,709 --> 02:09:36,719
so

3226
02:09:41,109 --> 02:09:38,719
and and and enough

3227
02:09:42,709 --> 02:09:41,119
good stuff that has been found

3228
02:09:44,709 --> 02:09:42,719
that i'm convinced that you couldn't

3229
02:09:47,030 --> 02:09:44,719
find their their their you couldn't put

3230
02:09:48,790 --> 02:09:47,040
together a panel of experts

3231
02:09:51,589 --> 02:09:48,800
living today that could have created

3232
02:09:54,470 --> 02:09:51,599
this story okay

3233
02:09:56,790 --> 02:09:54,480
now let's and just for clarification

3234
02:10:00,950 --> 02:09:56,800
here uh i i need the audience to

3235
02:10:02,950 --> 02:10:00,960
understand and for me too as well

3236
02:10:04,950 --> 02:10:02,960
where i know you're good i know the

3237
02:10:07,109 --> 02:10:04,960
answer to this but it is one of the

3238
02:10:10,229 --> 02:10:07,119
crazier parts of this whole thing right

3239
02:10:12,069 --> 02:10:10,239
where are the journals today

3240
02:10:14,550 --> 02:10:12,079
go ahead just drop the bomb just go

3241
02:10:16,470 --> 02:10:14,560
ahead according to according to the

3242
02:10:19,430 --> 02:10:16,480
person that found them

3243
02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:19,440
during a moment of of a personal crisis

3244
02:10:25,189 --> 02:10:23,280
she said she threw them away right

3245
02:10:28,870 --> 02:10:25,199
how many pages

3246
02:10:34,709 --> 02:10:30,069
three

3247
02:10:36,629 --> 02:10:34,719
this is for clarification because we're

3248
02:10:39,030 --> 02:10:36,639
talking about some very important things

3249
02:10:41,189 --> 02:10:39,040
here and i i don't want to mislead and i

3250
02:10:43,510 --> 02:10:41,199
certainly want to understand too

3251
02:10:47,030 --> 02:10:43,520
are those three pages

3252
02:10:50,629 --> 02:10:47,040
from the original documents

3253
02:10:54,229 --> 02:10:50,639
i don't think so well let me clarify

3254
02:10:57,830 --> 02:10:54,239
we have one page that's written in latin

3255
02:10:59,350 --> 02:10:57,840
uh that is from one of is from book one

3256
02:11:02,470 --> 02:10:59,360
the one that's published in fact

3257
02:11:04,470 --> 02:11:02,480
pictures of that page are in this book

3258
02:11:05,510 --> 02:11:04,480
the front and back

3259
02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:05,520
um

3260
02:11:11,030 --> 02:11:06,960
i don't believe that that's from the

3261
02:11:12,950 --> 02:11:11,040
14th century i think it's been recopied

3262
02:11:15,589 --> 02:11:12,960
but if it's true to the original i don't

3263
02:11:19,030 --> 02:11:15,599
care the cremona document isn't a 12th

3264
02:11:21,430 --> 02:11:19,040
century document it's a copy for sure of

3265
02:11:23,189 --> 02:11:21,440
an original document probably a copy of

3266
02:11:25,589 --> 02:11:23,199
a copy of a copy

3267
02:11:27,750 --> 02:11:25,599
now this is not unusual this is what the

3268
02:11:29,669 --> 02:11:27,760
cistercians and the templars did

3269
02:11:31,189 --> 02:11:29,679
they made multiple copies of very

3270
02:11:32,870 --> 02:11:31,199
important documents

3271
02:11:34,470 --> 02:11:32,880
that marriage document that was

3272
02:11:35,990 --> 02:11:34,480
recovered in the 12th century isn't the

3273
02:11:37,990 --> 02:11:36,000
only one

3274
02:11:40,870 --> 02:11:38,000
there are multiple copies of that i know

3275
02:11:43,030 --> 02:11:40,880
the vatican has at least one right

3276
02:11:44,310 --> 02:11:43,040
so that's two right because the templars

3277
02:11:47,350 --> 02:11:44,320
got the other one

3278
02:11:50,069 --> 02:11:47,360
so um

3279
02:11:51,109 --> 02:11:50,079
i think that's it's it's likely that the

3280
02:11:55,030 --> 02:11:51,119
page

3281
02:11:56,709 --> 02:11:55,040
we're going to be testing them

3282
02:12:01,189 --> 02:11:56,719
very very soon

3283
02:12:06,470 --> 02:12:04,550
so i think that page was probably a copy

3284
02:12:08,310 --> 02:12:06,480
of the original or a copy of a copy of

3285
02:12:10,950 --> 02:12:08,320
the original again it doesn't matter as

3286
02:12:13,910 --> 02:12:10,960
long as it's true to the original

3287
02:12:16,550 --> 02:12:13,920
we also have a page of the old english

3288
02:12:19,109 --> 02:12:16,560
which states to the 17th century

3289
02:12:24,069 --> 02:12:19,119
that may be a copy too but we'll find

3290
02:12:25,189 --> 02:12:24,079
out the last piece is written in

3291
02:12:28,950 --> 02:12:25,199
english

3292
02:12:31,750 --> 02:12:28,960
in the 18th century and that could be

3293
02:12:34,550 --> 02:12:31,760
uh or an original page i can tell you

3294
02:12:37,270 --> 02:12:34,560
that i'm 100 percent convinced

3295
02:12:39,830 --> 02:12:37,280
when i saw the original map that that

3296
02:12:41,990 --> 02:12:39,840
was original that was not a copy i think

3297
02:12:44,229 --> 02:12:42,000
that was the original

3298
02:12:46,830 --> 02:12:44,239
what are the okay so that one was from

3299
02:12:49,990 --> 02:12:46,840
1770

3300
02:12:52,790 --> 02:12:50,000
right the map uh the

3301
02:12:56,390 --> 02:12:52,800
the 18th century

3302
02:12:58,390 --> 02:12:56,400
would be 14th century no no the 18

3303
02:12:59,189 --> 02:12:58,400
it's clearly lambskin i don't think you

3304
02:13:05,669 --> 02:12:59,199
uh

3305
02:13:08,550 --> 02:13:05,679
century page is from the year 1770

3306
02:13:10,750 --> 02:13:08,560
right no no no that page that i'm

3307
02:13:14,629 --> 02:13:10,760
talking about is from

3308
02:13:17,430 --> 02:13:14,639
1731. 1731. what are the years on the

3309
02:13:20,950 --> 02:13:17,440
other two pages

3310
02:13:23,990 --> 02:13:20,960
uh thirteen fifty

3311
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:24,000
no thirteen fifty three

3312
02:13:27,669 --> 02:13:26,000
no it's it's uh

3313
02:13:32,430 --> 02:13:27,679
shoot this when he was twelve years old

3314
02:13:35,030 --> 02:13:32,440
with 1357 okay yes november 22nd

3315
02:13:37,990 --> 02:13:35,040
1357 is one of the entries and i can

3316
02:13:41,589 --> 02:13:38,000
tell you what that is later it's so cool

3317
02:13:43,430 --> 02:13:41,599
oh jesus and then the uh the

3318
02:13:44,870 --> 02:13:43,440
the old english page was dated i can't

3319
02:13:46,390 --> 02:13:44,880
remember what the date was but it was

3320
02:13:50,310 --> 02:13:46,400
1663.

3321
02:13:52,709 --> 02:13:50,320
okay and what uh let's go to the 1357

3322
02:13:55,430 --> 02:13:52,719
page let's start there we'll go uh in in

3323
02:13:57,589 --> 02:13:55,440
chronological order uh what great

3324
02:14:00,310 --> 02:13:57,599
what oh okay

3325
02:14:03,830 --> 02:14:00,320
actually let's let's do this when she

3326
02:14:05,030 --> 02:14:03,840
diana uh translated all of this

3327
02:14:08,310 --> 02:14:05,040
she had

3328
02:14:11,430 --> 02:14:08,320
all of the documents there that she has

3329
02:14:14,310 --> 02:14:11,440
translated right today there are only

3330
02:14:15,830 --> 02:14:14,320
three pages of the original set

3331
02:14:19,189 --> 02:14:15,840
correct okay

3332
02:14:20,470 --> 02:14:19,199
overall going back to the beginning of

3333
02:14:24,709 --> 02:14:20,480
this set

3334
02:14:28,069 --> 02:14:24,719
what is the flavor of the document what

3335
02:14:30,950 --> 02:14:28,079
uh certainly you use the words explosive

3336
02:14:32,870 --> 02:14:30,960
right well certainly it is yeah

3337
02:14:36,790 --> 02:14:32,880
what is the flavor here what do what are

3338
02:14:41,270 --> 02:14:39,750
well i in essence what it's telling us

3339
02:14:44,790 --> 02:14:41,280
is

3340
02:14:47,350 --> 02:14:44,800
in no uncertain terms

3341
02:14:49,350 --> 02:14:47,360
how this country was founded

3342
02:14:52,069 --> 02:14:49,360
the real story of what happened

3343
02:14:56,149 --> 02:14:54,390
you know i i guess on one hand when when

3344
02:14:58,390 --> 02:14:56,159
and i can't talk about everything i can

3345
02:15:01,750 --> 02:14:58,400
only talk about it vaguely

3346
02:15:06,310 --> 02:15:03,750
what what what is revealed in these

3347
02:15:07,350 --> 02:15:06,320
journals is and you said it in in the

3348
02:15:09,109 --> 02:15:07,360
previous

3349
02:15:11,430 --> 02:15:09,119
um

3350
02:15:12,950 --> 02:15:11,440
set and that was that

3351
02:15:14,550 --> 02:15:12,960
a lot of what i've been talking about

3352
02:15:16,470 --> 02:15:14,560
for a long time

3353
02:15:17,830 --> 02:15:16,480
is coming to fruition it's being proven

3354
02:15:20,550 --> 02:15:17,840
to be true

3355
02:15:24,870 --> 02:15:22,870
this these guys these these earl henry

3356
02:15:26,709 --> 02:15:24,880
journals

3357
02:15:29,350 --> 02:15:26,719
in some ways there are some nights i sit

3358
02:15:32,310 --> 02:15:29,360
there and i i'm laying in bed and i go

3359
02:15:35,510 --> 02:15:32,320
somebody somebody made this to kowtow to

3360
02:15:37,510 --> 02:15:35,520
me they they prove

3361
02:15:39,350 --> 02:15:37,520
so much of what we've written about in

3362
02:15:41,189 --> 02:15:39,360
the hook decks and akhenaten and the

3363
02:15:42,149 --> 02:15:41,199
kensington runestone compelling new

3364
02:15:44,550 --> 02:15:42,159
evidence

3365
02:15:46,629 --> 02:15:44,560
like you can't even imagine it's like oh

3366
02:15:48,550 --> 02:15:46,639
my god it's like this is the answer to

3367
02:15:50,950 --> 02:15:48,560
all the questions i've ever had it's

3368
02:15:53,350 --> 02:15:50,960
almost like it's too good to be true but

3369
02:15:56,390 --> 02:15:53,360
on the other hand like i said before

3370
02:15:58,470 --> 02:15:56,400
because of the level of detail

3371
02:16:00,790 --> 02:15:58,480
of historical events and unknown

3372
02:16:02,870 --> 02:16:00,800
information that turned out to be true

3373
02:16:04,629 --> 02:16:02,880
that we could not that nobody knew about

3374
02:16:07,030 --> 02:16:04,639
before

3375
02:16:09,750 --> 02:16:07,040
i i it can't be fake

3376
02:16:12,149 --> 02:16:09,760
so i i it's just incredible

3377
02:16:14,390 --> 02:16:12,159
and and one of the things that in this

3378
02:16:17,430 --> 02:16:14,400
first book happens

3379
02:16:19,750 --> 02:16:17,440
that people can read right now

3380
02:16:22,470 --> 02:16:19,760
is you learn

3381
02:16:23,750 --> 02:16:22,480
about the kensington party

3382
02:16:25,350 --> 02:16:23,760
you learn

3383
02:16:26,870 --> 02:16:25,360
who they were

3384
02:16:28,310 --> 02:16:26,880
where they came from

3385
02:16:30,550 --> 02:16:28,320
when they left

3386
02:16:32,389 --> 02:16:30,560
where they went and what their mission

3387
02:16:35,830 --> 02:16:32,399
was

3388
02:16:38,790 --> 02:16:35,840
you even learn jimmy

3389
02:16:40,549 --> 02:16:38,800
the name of the guy who most likely and

3390
02:16:43,349 --> 02:16:40,559
everyone that i've talked to in detail

3391
02:16:47,509 --> 02:16:43,359
about this that have read those entries

3392
02:16:50,309 --> 02:16:47,519
and and given me their opinion all agree

3393
02:16:52,469 --> 02:16:50,319
we probably know the name of the carver

3394
02:16:54,790 --> 02:16:52,479
of the kensington runestone

3395
02:16:57,669 --> 02:16:54,800
that's how much detail

3396
02:17:01,270 --> 02:16:57,679
is in these journals now when he

3397
02:17:04,950 --> 02:17:01,280
references and i'm talking about uh uh

3398
02:17:08,070 --> 02:17:04,960
henry when he references uh you know

3399
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:08,080
western lands we're talking about

3400
02:17:12,469 --> 02:17:10,960
the same sinclair clan that built the

3401
02:17:16,870 --> 02:17:12,479
rosalind chapel

3402
02:17:18,629 --> 02:17:16,880
yep that they not only came to the

3403
02:17:20,870 --> 02:17:18,639
united states they reference it as

3404
02:17:23,190 --> 02:17:20,880
western lands i'm doing air quotes here

3405
02:17:24,309 --> 02:17:23,200
for everybody that's that's that's the

3406
02:17:25,990 --> 02:17:24,319
term they use

3407
02:17:28,629 --> 02:17:26,000
that's the term that they use

3408
02:17:29,990 --> 02:17:28,639
they didn't do it once

3409
02:17:34,070 --> 02:17:30,000
right

3410
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:34,080
that that williams sinclair the second

3411
02:17:36,389 --> 02:17:35,599
himself

3412
02:17:41,190 --> 02:17:36,399
he

3413
02:17:43,589 --> 02:17:41,200
now well let's put it this way earl

3414
02:17:46,469 --> 02:17:43,599
henry came over three times three he

3415
02:17:49,750 --> 02:17:46,479
writes that his father had been there

3416
02:17:52,389 --> 02:17:49,760
six times before he brought earl henry

3417
02:17:55,190 --> 02:17:52,399
there the first time so seven times

3418
02:17:58,389 --> 02:17:55,200
seven times now

3419
02:18:01,589 --> 02:17:58,399
i don't know how long it took

3420
02:18:03,429 --> 02:18:01,599
then to travel from

3421
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:03,439
the united kingdom

3422
02:18:09,589 --> 02:18:04,960
to

3423
02:18:10,389 --> 02:18:09,599
month one month right so they're taking

3424
02:18:12,389 --> 02:18:10,399
seven

3425
02:18:14,389 --> 02:18:12,399
and and one month back they're doing the

3426
02:18:15,429 --> 02:18:14,399
seven we're talking about years of

3427
02:18:17,030 --> 02:18:15,439
travel

3428
02:18:19,349 --> 02:18:17,040
that are now

3429
02:18:21,589 --> 02:18:19,359
that they are documenting here going

3430
02:18:24,230 --> 02:18:21,599
back and forth back and forth

3431
02:18:26,150 --> 02:18:24,240
yeah no they yeah i mean they were doing

3432
02:18:29,110 --> 02:18:26,160
this all the time it was routine right

3433
02:18:30,270 --> 02:18:29,120
remember the the this utterly came over

3434
02:18:37,270 --> 02:18:30,280
in

3435
02:18:38,549 --> 02:18:37,280
this is 200 years later

3436
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:38,559
so think about all the trips that

3437
02:18:43,030 --> 02:18:41,040
happened between the sutterly and and

3438
02:18:44,629 --> 02:18:43,040
errol henry's father who came over seven

3439
02:18:46,870 --> 02:18:44,639
times and he also mentions his

3440
02:18:49,750 --> 02:18:46,880
grandfather that he came over here too

3441
02:18:52,790 --> 02:18:49,760
right so that's that's going back to

3442
02:18:55,429 --> 02:18:53,990
now

3443
02:18:58,389 --> 02:18:55,439
so

3444
02:19:00,309 --> 02:18:58,399
and and to be clear here

3445
02:19:01,750 --> 02:19:00,319
i need your help on this

3446
02:19:04,830 --> 02:19:01,760
this

3447
02:19:07,270 --> 02:19:04,840
the the templar journals from henry

3448
02:19:10,950 --> 02:19:07,280
sinclair say this

3449
02:19:13,110 --> 02:19:10,960
but the cremona document is saying the

3450
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:13,120
exact same thing and now we have a

3451
02:19:16,790 --> 02:19:14,880
cross-reference

3452
02:19:19,270 --> 02:19:16,800
and and that's a really good point that

3453
02:19:21,910 --> 02:19:19,280
you bring up and what's what's amazing

3454
02:19:24,469 --> 02:19:21,920
about these two documents

3455
02:19:26,549 --> 02:19:24,479
is they represent two different time

3456
02:19:30,389 --> 02:19:26,559
periods in history but we're talking

3457
02:19:31,750 --> 02:19:30,399
about the same order right the templars

3458
02:19:34,629 --> 02:19:31,760
they were they

3459
02:19:37,110 --> 02:19:34,639
they came to us in modern times

3460
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:37,120
through two different sources completely

3461
02:19:41,669 --> 02:19:39,200
independent of each other right at two

3462
02:19:44,150 --> 02:19:41,679
different times right there is no

3463
02:19:46,629 --> 02:19:44,160
connection whatsoever between either one

3464
02:19:49,110 --> 02:19:46,639
of these sets of documents

3465
02:19:51,590 --> 02:19:49,120
and to me and but yet they independently

3466
02:19:53,590 --> 02:19:51,600
corroborate each other to a level that

3467
02:19:55,190 --> 02:19:53,600
is just incredible

3468
02:19:56,389 --> 02:19:55,200
that it it's

3469
02:19:58,309 --> 02:19:56,399
again

3470
02:20:00,469 --> 02:19:58,319
just to put together either one of these

3471
02:20:02,230 --> 02:20:00,479
documents would take

3472
02:20:03,910 --> 02:20:02,240
you know we sat down here one night and

3473
02:20:06,230 --> 02:20:03,920
we thought about this

3474
02:20:08,230 --> 02:20:06,240
and we came to the conclusion

3475
02:20:09,750 --> 02:20:08,240
that even if you got

3476
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:09,760
bill mann

3477
02:20:13,830 --> 02:20:11,120
alan butler

3478
02:20:15,590 --> 02:20:13,840
janet walter and scott walter

3479
02:20:17,030 --> 02:20:15,600
and i can't think of anybody else who's

3480
02:20:19,429 --> 02:20:17,040
been writing about the templars coming

3481
02:20:21,030 --> 02:20:19,439
to america and goddess worship

3482
02:20:22,630 --> 02:20:21,040
like we have

3483
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:22,640
we could not have done these we couldn't

3484
02:20:26,630 --> 02:20:24,479
even come close

3485
02:20:29,510 --> 02:20:26,640
to writing these documents even if we

3486
02:20:32,230 --> 02:20:29,520
had an army of the greatest masonic

3487
02:20:33,910 --> 02:20:32,240
scholar minds in the world

3488
02:20:35,910 --> 02:20:33,920
that team could not do this there's

3489
02:20:37,910 --> 02:20:35,920
nobody else living today that's written

3490
02:20:40,550 --> 02:20:37,920
about this stuff to the level that we

3491
02:20:42,630 --> 02:20:40,560
have and we couldn't do it so so if we

3492
02:20:43,670 --> 02:20:42,640
didn't do it who did

3493
02:20:45,990 --> 02:20:43,680
why the

3494
02:20:47,270 --> 02:20:46,000
let me ask you let me ask you this

3495
02:20:48,389 --> 02:20:47,280
because

3496
02:20:51,110 --> 02:20:48,399
after

3497
02:20:54,150 --> 02:20:51,120
uh you know friday the 13th right we're

3498
02:20:56,230 --> 02:20:54,160
talking about a serious depletion and a

3499
02:20:59,510 --> 02:20:56,240
dis disbandment

3500
02:21:02,870 --> 02:20:59,520
of the knights templar

3501
02:21:05,590 --> 02:21:02,880
how why the knights templar coming here

3502
02:21:08,469 --> 02:21:05,600
and they would have to regroup and

3503
02:21:11,670 --> 02:21:08,479
and get the order back together and

3504
02:21:13,110 --> 02:21:11,680
travel here why the knights templar

3505
02:21:16,230 --> 02:21:13,120
well

3506
02:21:18,630 --> 02:21:16,240
look the the reality of what happened is

3507
02:21:20,630 --> 02:21:18,640
after the order was put down right

3508
02:21:22,630 --> 02:21:20,640
they didn't just disappear

3509
02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:22,640
some of the templars went to went to

3510
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:24,479
portugal and they became well they were

3511
02:21:28,389 --> 02:21:26,800
already in portugal but some escaped

3512
02:21:30,150 --> 02:21:28,399
down there and they became the order of

3513
02:21:33,030 --> 02:21:30,160
christ

3514
02:21:34,389 --> 02:21:33,040
and that order continued until 1835 they

3515
02:21:36,389 --> 02:21:34,399
were an official

3516
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:36,399
medieval monastic order

3517
02:21:43,270 --> 02:21:39,680
military monastic order for another 500

3518
02:21:45,270 --> 02:21:43,280
years after the put down that's a fact

3519
02:21:48,150 --> 02:21:45,280
some went to was some went up into the

3520
02:21:49,910 --> 02:21:48,160
baltic region and some went to scotland

3521
02:21:53,110 --> 02:21:49,920
the templars that went to scotland

3522
02:21:55,510 --> 02:21:53,120
fought with robert the bruce

3523
02:21:57,990 --> 02:21:55,520
the earls of orkney including

3524
02:21:59,429 --> 02:21:58,000
henry sinclair clearly as indicated in

3525
02:22:00,950 --> 02:21:59,439
this first journal

3526
02:22:03,429 --> 02:22:00,960
protected the templar knights the

3527
02:22:06,830 --> 02:22:03,439
fugitive templar knights after they

3528
02:22:09,830 --> 02:22:06,840
served sir robert the king

3529
02:22:11,830 --> 02:22:09,840
and and and

3530
02:22:13,270 --> 02:22:11,840
they owed him they owed them a debt of

3531
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:13,280
gratitude but you got to remember

3532
02:22:17,910 --> 02:22:16,160
something after the order is put down

3533
02:22:19,990 --> 02:22:17,920
they're no longer

3534
02:22:22,469 --> 02:22:20,000
the templars as we

3535
02:22:25,349 --> 02:22:22,479
as academics would describe them today

3536
02:22:27,750 --> 02:22:25,359
right for one thing

3537
02:22:28,550 --> 02:22:27,760
there's no there's no obligation there's

3538
02:22:30,309 --> 02:22:28,560
no

3539
02:22:32,389 --> 02:22:30,319
uh allegiance to the roman catholic

3540
02:22:34,630 --> 02:22:32,399
church they've been outlawed right

3541
02:22:36,070 --> 02:22:34,640
so for one thing they're not celibate

3542
02:22:37,429 --> 02:22:36,080
anymore they're married and they're

3543
02:22:38,790 --> 02:22:37,439
having kids well they were doing that

3544
02:22:40,630 --> 02:22:38,800
before but anyway you know what i'm

3545
02:22:42,710 --> 02:22:40,640
saying yes but the point is is that they

3546
02:22:45,510 --> 02:22:42,720
became something different

3547
02:22:48,230 --> 02:22:45,520
they still were this fighting force

3548
02:22:50,070 --> 02:22:48,240
that it was respected but they were

3549
02:22:52,870 --> 02:22:50,080
still human beings that were living

3550
02:22:54,870 --> 02:22:52,880
their lives trying to do

3551
02:22:56,150 --> 02:22:54,880
the work

3552
02:22:58,309 --> 02:22:56,160
and

3553
02:23:00,389 --> 02:22:58,319
that they had a common interest with it

3554
02:23:01,830 --> 02:23:00,399
with the with with the earls and the

3555
02:23:02,710 --> 02:23:01,840
scots who were

3556
02:23:04,550 --> 02:23:02,720
um

3557
02:23:06,550 --> 02:23:04,560
and and we've had this debate because

3558
02:23:09,030 --> 02:23:06,560
he's talking about this order of knights

3559
02:23:10,870 --> 02:23:09,040
that's hiding out in these caves they're

3560
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:10,880
clearly supporting them they're bringing

3561
02:23:14,469 --> 02:23:12,319
them supplies

3562
02:23:16,550 --> 02:23:14,479
uh medicine food

3563
02:23:18,790 --> 02:23:16,560
um thing you know whatever they needed

3564
02:23:21,349 --> 02:23:18,800
to survive and what you're going to

3565
02:23:23,590 --> 02:23:21,359
learn in the future is ultimately

3566
02:23:25,510 --> 02:23:23,600
they brought them over here

3567
02:23:27,030 --> 02:23:25,520
and and

3568
02:23:29,190 --> 02:23:27,040
they stayed

3569
02:23:30,830 --> 02:23:29,200
and and in one of the entries that

3570
02:23:34,389 --> 02:23:30,840
you'll read in a future thing they

3571
02:23:37,349 --> 02:23:34,399
basically they basically said look

3572
02:23:39,670 --> 02:23:37,359
the church hates us

3573
02:23:41,270 --> 02:23:39,680
the king the king of france and england

3574
02:23:43,830 --> 02:23:41,280
i mean we're

3575
02:23:45,830 --> 02:23:43,840
we got bounties on our head

3576
02:23:48,550 --> 02:23:45,840
and plagues are ravaging all across why

3577
02:23:51,190 --> 02:23:48,560
the hell do we want to stay here

3578
02:23:54,150 --> 02:23:51,200
and remember this is the key thing

3579
02:23:56,070 --> 02:23:54,160
that becomes abundantly clear

3580
02:23:58,469 --> 02:23:56,080
in the cremona document and in the

3581
02:24:00,469 --> 02:23:58,479
journals and i've made this argument for

3582
02:24:03,030 --> 02:24:00,479
years and nobody gets it

3583
02:24:07,190 --> 02:24:03,040
but it's the fundamental core

3584
02:24:12,070 --> 02:24:10,230
their ideology was not catholic they

3585
02:24:14,389 --> 02:24:12,080
were not catholic

3586
02:24:16,230 --> 02:24:14,399
they pretended to be catholic

3587
02:24:17,990 --> 02:24:16,240
they aligned with the catholic church

3588
02:24:21,510 --> 02:24:18,000
keep your friends close your enemies

3589
02:24:24,469 --> 02:24:21,520
closer they venerated the goddess

3590
02:24:27,510 --> 02:24:24,479
just like the matriarch make matriarchal

3591
02:24:29,429 --> 02:24:27,520
cultures of native americans that's why

3592
02:24:31,670 --> 02:24:29,439
they got along with them

3593
02:24:35,429 --> 02:24:31,680
it's clear in the journals they shared

3594
02:24:37,910 --> 02:24:35,439
the same rituals the same beliefs

3595
02:24:40,389 --> 02:24:37,920
and the and and when when earl henry

3596
02:24:43,110 --> 02:24:40,399
brought those treasures over

3597
02:24:44,950 --> 02:24:43,120
the natives guarded them they protected

3598
02:24:47,270 --> 02:24:44,960
them the treasure didn't mean anything

3599
02:24:48,950 --> 02:24:47,280
to them

3600
02:24:51,510 --> 02:24:48,960
and this is what's going to come out in

3601
02:24:53,670 --> 02:24:51,520
this story and it's important and the

3602
02:24:55,349 --> 02:24:53,680
world needs to hear it

3603
02:24:57,990 --> 02:24:55,359
think about it jimmy

3604
02:25:00,070 --> 02:24:58,000
the natives protected that treasure

3605
02:25:03,030 --> 02:25:00,080
for centuries

3606
02:25:06,070 --> 02:25:03,040
and look how we repaid them

3607
02:25:08,630 --> 02:25:06,080
their story needs to be told

3608
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:08,640
and somebody someday

3609
02:25:15,110 --> 02:25:12,880
has got to get up and formally apologize

3610
02:25:16,870 --> 02:25:15,120
and thank them because when this whole

3611
02:25:19,670 --> 02:25:16,880
story plays out

3612
02:25:21,349 --> 02:25:19,680
everybody is going to be demanding that

3613
02:25:22,870 --> 02:25:21,359
and there's other people that are going

3614
02:25:25,110 --> 02:25:22,880
to have to be thanked too but i'm

3615
02:25:27,429 --> 02:25:25,120
getting ahead of myself i don't want to

3616
02:25:29,830 --> 02:25:27,439
reveal the story but i'm telling you

3617
02:25:31,670 --> 02:25:29,840
that was the key and when the templars

3618
02:25:34,150 --> 02:25:31,680
came over here

3619
02:25:36,830 --> 02:25:34,160
they intermarried they had children and

3620
02:25:38,389 --> 02:25:36,840
within a generation they were

3621
02:25:40,389 --> 02:25:38,399
native

3622
02:25:43,429 --> 02:25:40,399
and you know what when you truly

3623
02:25:44,870 --> 02:25:43,439
understand how natives

3624
02:25:46,469 --> 02:25:44,880
live

3625
02:25:48,389 --> 02:25:46,479
and and and

3626
02:25:51,110 --> 02:25:48,399
and treat people

3627
02:25:53,510 --> 02:25:51,120
it's not a bad gig if you can get it now

3628
02:25:56,630 --> 02:25:53,520
leave it at that okay okay

3629
02:25:59,030 --> 02:25:56,640
um i i've got three minutes at that time

3630
02:26:00,550 --> 02:25:59,040
i've got three minutes uh

3631
02:26:02,550 --> 02:26:00,560
before the break and then we'll pick up

3632
02:26:04,389 --> 02:26:02,560
when we come back but

3633
02:26:07,349 --> 02:26:04,399
in one of the entries

3634
02:26:09,990 --> 02:26:07,359
which was uh that they wanted to

3635
02:26:12,150 --> 02:26:10,000
establish a settlement in 13 in the

3636
02:26:15,349 --> 02:26:12,160
spring of 1358

3637
02:26:16,550 --> 02:26:15,359
yep the kensington runestone

3638
02:26:18,830 --> 02:26:16,560
is dated

3639
02:26:21,590 --> 02:26:18,840
when here help me out scott say it out

3640
02:26:24,469 --> 02:26:21,600
loud 1362

3641
02:26:28,710 --> 02:26:26,389
let me tell you something pal

3642
02:26:30,309 --> 02:26:28,720
none of this is coincidence i say that

3643
02:26:32,309 --> 02:26:30,319
all the time in my lectures is this a

3644
02:26:34,469 --> 02:26:32,319
coincidence this is another coincidence

3645
02:26:37,190 --> 02:26:34,479
right none of this is a coincidence none

3646
02:26:42,309 --> 02:26:37,200
of it at all and it's uh there's a

3647
02:26:44,950 --> 02:26:42,319
four-year span there but in 1358 uh do

3648
02:26:46,950 --> 02:26:44,960
you have any idea where they established

3649
02:26:49,270 --> 02:26:46,960
uh again i'm doing error quotes this is

3650
02:26:51,510 --> 02:26:49,280
from the document it's from the journal

3651
02:26:52,389 --> 02:26:51,520
uh do you have any idea where that uh

3652
02:26:54,230 --> 02:26:52,399
that

3653
02:26:55,590 --> 02:26:54,240
settlement was

3654
02:27:01,110 --> 02:26:55,600
well

3655
02:27:03,670 --> 02:27:01,120
one is

3656
02:27:05,349 --> 02:27:03,680
in the entry

3657
02:27:07,270 --> 02:27:05,359
i don't even know if it's in this book

3658
02:27:08,469 --> 02:27:07,280
if if it isn't it's in the next book and

3659
02:27:09,750 --> 02:27:08,479
you'll read it

3660
02:27:13,190 --> 02:27:09,760
at some point

3661
02:27:14,950 --> 02:27:13,200
but a native visits with

3662
02:27:17,110 --> 02:27:14,960
with earl henry

3663
02:27:19,510 --> 02:27:17,120
who travels a lot

3664
02:27:20,950 --> 02:27:19,520
and he interacts with the kensington

3665
02:27:22,870 --> 02:27:20,960
party

3666
02:27:24,309 --> 02:27:22,880
once a year

3667
02:27:25,830 --> 02:27:24,319
and one of the things they do is they

3668
02:27:27,349 --> 02:27:25,840
trade

3669
02:27:29,429 --> 02:27:27,359
uh

3670
02:27:31,990 --> 02:27:29,439
items with the natives and the natives

3671
02:27:34,790 --> 02:27:32,000
get copper and silver from them right

3672
02:27:36,469 --> 02:27:34,800
there's only one place in the world

3673
02:27:39,190 --> 02:27:36,479
where you can get

3674
02:27:41,830 --> 02:27:39,200
native copper and silver that is

3675
02:27:43,030 --> 02:27:41,840
diagnostic to a specific area and that's

3676
02:27:45,830 --> 02:27:43,040
the u.p

3677
02:27:47,990 --> 02:27:45,840
of michigan

3678
02:27:49,910 --> 02:27:48,000
that is this area here where i live

3679
02:27:51,429 --> 02:27:49,920
that's where the and the other piece of

3680
02:27:53,190 --> 02:27:51,439
evidence that we have that tells us

3681
02:27:55,110 --> 02:27:53,200
where that settlement was

3682
02:27:56,550 --> 02:27:55,120
is the kensington runestone which is

3683
02:27:58,950 --> 02:27:56,560
also here

3684
02:28:00,070 --> 02:27:58,960
so it was here somewhere

3685
02:28:04,950 --> 02:28:00,080
um

3686
02:28:07,030 --> 02:28:04,960
minnesota or probably probably you know

3687
02:28:10,630 --> 02:28:07,040
where i think it is i think it's kahokea

3688
02:28:13,590 --> 02:28:10,640
or not cookie but uh cathy oh um there

3689
02:28:15,670 --> 02:28:13,600
is a large ojibwa settlement that was at

3690
02:28:17,830 --> 02:28:15,680
the southern end of

3691
02:28:19,830 --> 02:28:17,840
um

3692
02:28:21,429 --> 02:28:19,840
oh my god what's the big lake

3693
02:28:22,870 --> 02:28:21,439
draw on a plank

3694
02:28:25,270 --> 02:28:22,880
it's all about mille lacs lake mille

3695
02:28:27,030 --> 02:28:25,280
lacs lake it's in central minnesota if

3696
02:28:29,510 --> 02:28:27,040
you go to a map you'll see this great

3697
02:28:31,990 --> 02:28:29,520
big round lake right in central

3698
02:28:34,230 --> 02:28:32,000
minnesota it's about an hour drive hour

3699
02:28:36,950 --> 02:28:34,240
and a half drive to kensington minnesota

3700
02:28:38,870 --> 02:28:36,960
and about an hour and a half drive to

3701
02:28:40,870 --> 02:28:38,880
duluth which is where lake superior is

3702
02:28:42,790 --> 02:28:40,880
so i think that settlement might have

3703
02:28:44,469 --> 02:28:42,800
been in that area but

3704
02:28:45,990 --> 02:28:44,479
let me tell you something

3705
02:28:47,590 --> 02:28:46,000
there are no way

3706
02:28:49,830 --> 02:28:47,600
that you're going to get anywhere near

3707
02:28:52,710 --> 02:28:49,840
kensington minnesota

3708
02:28:54,790 --> 02:28:52,720
or mille lacs lake or duluth

3709
02:28:56,630 --> 02:28:54,800
at that time

3710
02:28:59,349 --> 02:28:56,640
from the east coast

3711
02:29:00,710 --> 02:28:59,359
unless the natives let you

3712
02:29:03,349 --> 02:29:00,720
so what does that mean did they fight

3713
02:29:05,270 --> 02:29:03,359
their way to kensington no no they

3714
02:29:07,110 --> 02:29:05,280
traveled with the natives that's right

3715
02:29:08,950 --> 02:29:07,120
clearly that's what happened and in

3716
02:29:11,429 --> 02:29:08,960
these documents i've been making that

3717
02:29:13,110 --> 02:29:11,439
argument for 15 years

3718
02:29:15,190 --> 02:29:13,120
and that's exactly what comes out in the

3719
02:29:17,750 --> 02:29:15,200
journals let's take a break right here

3720
02:29:20,070 --> 02:29:17,760
our guest tonight scott walter

3721
02:29:22,550 --> 02:29:20,080
amazing conversation scott let's take a

3722
02:29:23,670 --> 02:29:22,560
quick break and when we come back

3723
02:29:25,510 --> 02:29:23,680
yeah

3724
02:29:27,830 --> 02:29:25,520
i'm gonna do it i'm gonna do this for

3725
02:29:29,190 --> 02:29:27,840
the audience and i'll respond to twitter

3726
02:29:31,910 --> 02:29:29,200
i'm gonna do it we're gonna talk a

3727
02:29:34,469 --> 02:29:31,920
little oak island not directly scott we

3728
02:29:36,630 --> 02:29:34,479
can't go direct

3729
02:29:38,309 --> 02:29:36,640
we're gonna do a drive by

3730
02:29:40,309 --> 02:29:38,319
our guest tonight scott walter i'm your

3731
02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:40,319
host jimmy church this is fade to black

3732
02:29:56,870 --> 02:29:44,010
we'll be right back stay with us

3733
02:29:58,710 --> 02:29:56,880
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3821
02:34:23,190 --> 02:34:21,750
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3822
02:34:24,790 --> 02:34:23,200
little overtime with our guest tonight

3823
02:34:25,830 --> 02:34:24,800
scott walter but you knew this was

3824
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02:34:39,349 --> 02:34:37,120
gonna lead to you know uh

3829
02:34:41,429 --> 02:34:39,359
oak island and the question of that i'm

3830
02:34:42,870 --> 02:34:41,439
gonna ask you this

3831
02:34:45,510 --> 02:34:42,880
um

3832
02:34:48,230 --> 02:34:45,520
in in all of your research all of that

3833
02:34:50,230 --> 02:34:48,240
all of your doc everything that we

3834
02:34:53,670 --> 02:34:50,240
everything that we have discussed

3835
02:34:55,750 --> 02:34:53,680
is there any evidence pointing to a

3836
02:34:57,830 --> 02:34:55,760
connection between the knights templar

3837
02:35:00,469 --> 02:34:57,840
and oak island i don't have a dog in

3838
02:35:03,670 --> 02:35:00,479
this race okay i i don't

3839
02:35:07,030 --> 02:35:03,680
but is there any evidence

3840
02:35:13,110 --> 02:35:08,630
i didn't i didn't i didn't hear you

3841
02:35:16,309 --> 02:35:14,950
negative not

3842
02:35:19,030 --> 02:35:16,319
no

3843
02:35:20,070 --> 02:35:19,040
and and let me just preface this by

3844
02:35:23,590 --> 02:35:20,080
saying

3845
02:35:25,190 --> 02:35:23,600
i've been to oak island multiple times

3846
02:35:26,950 --> 02:35:25,200
and i've

3847
02:35:29,030 --> 02:35:26,960
given

3848
02:35:32,550 --> 02:35:29,040
that story

3849
02:35:34,389 --> 02:35:32,560
all the energy i'm going to give it um

3850
02:35:35,750 --> 02:35:34,399
i i think

3851
02:35:38,070 --> 02:35:35,760
you know and i want to be clear i think

3852
02:35:39,670 --> 02:35:38,080
the brothers

3853
02:35:40,870 --> 02:35:39,680
they seem like good guys and that

3854
02:35:42,550 --> 02:35:40,880
they're

3855
02:35:47,030 --> 02:35:42,560
you know they really

3856
02:35:51,510 --> 02:35:49,030
but there isn't well i can tell you this

3857
02:35:55,990 --> 02:35:51,520
there isn't any templar treasure because

3858
02:35:57,910 --> 02:35:56,000
we know exactly where the treasures went

3859
02:36:01,110 --> 02:35:57,920
in great detail

3860
02:36:03,510 --> 02:36:01,120
in in like amazing detail

3861
02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:03,520
to the point where i can say with 100

3862
02:36:06,630 --> 02:36:05,200
confidence that there's nothing on oak

3863
02:36:08,710 --> 02:36:06,640
island but

3864
02:36:10,469 --> 02:36:08,720
um there may you know i mean i mean

3865
02:36:11,510 --> 02:36:10,479
having said that is it possible that

3866
02:36:12,469 --> 02:36:11,520
there's a

3867
02:36:14,309 --> 02:36:12,479
uh

3868
02:36:15,190 --> 02:36:14,319
a treasure that was buried there at some

3869
02:36:16,790 --> 02:36:15,200
time

3870
02:36:18,550 --> 02:36:16,800
by somebody else

3871
02:36:20,550 --> 02:36:18,560
yeah that could happen

3872
02:36:21,349 --> 02:36:20,560
it's probably recovered a long time ago

3873
02:36:22,950 --> 02:36:21,359
but

3874
02:36:24,790 --> 02:36:22,960
um i think it's

3875
02:36:26,389 --> 02:36:24,800
you know i i just don't think there's

3876
02:36:28,150 --> 02:36:26,399
anything there no that's my personal

3877
02:36:29,349 --> 02:36:28,160
opinion and i have a lot of reasons for

3878
02:36:31,349 --> 02:36:29,359
saying that

3879
02:36:32,230 --> 02:36:31,359
but no templar treasure there

3880
02:36:36,710 --> 02:36:32,240
there

3881
02:36:38,309 --> 02:36:36,720
right the island

3882
02:36:42,389 --> 02:36:38,319
it's small

3883
02:36:43,750 --> 02:36:42,399
can walk across it

3884
02:36:48,389 --> 02:36:43,760
very small

3885
02:36:51,190 --> 02:36:48,399
and drilled

3886
02:36:52,950 --> 02:36:51,200
uh to nothingness that's that's my

3887
02:36:57,110 --> 02:36:52,960
opinion but there's there's not a whole

3888
02:37:01,990 --> 02:37:00,309
uh not in my opinion um you know um you

3889
02:37:04,469 --> 02:37:02,000
know you're talking about a story that's

3890
02:37:05,510 --> 02:37:04,479
been around for what 250 years that's

3891
02:37:06,710 --> 02:37:05,520
right

3892
02:37:08,630 --> 02:37:06,720
and uh

3893
02:37:11,110 --> 02:37:08,640
i mean i gotta be honest with you i mean

3894
02:37:12,790 --> 02:37:11,120
i just find it laughable you know they

3895
02:37:14,950 --> 02:37:12,800
it seems like

3896
02:37:17,270 --> 02:37:14,960
every few episodes they walk along with

3897
02:37:18,790 --> 02:37:17,280
a metal detector and whoa they find some

3898
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:18,800
amazing artifact

3899
02:37:23,349 --> 02:37:21,120
you mean to tell me that

3900
02:37:26,550 --> 02:37:23,359
these guys first time anybody's walked

3901
02:37:28,230 --> 02:37:26,560
those beaches with a metal detector

3902
02:37:30,870 --> 02:37:28,240
i have a hard time believing that that's

3903
02:37:33,270 --> 02:37:30,880
just me but i i could be wrong

3904
02:37:35,429 --> 02:37:33,280
well i i mean i obviously you could

3905
02:37:37,750 --> 02:37:35,439
probably go to any beach on this planet

3906
02:37:41,910 --> 02:37:37,760
with a metal detector and find something

3907
02:37:44,230 --> 02:37:41,920
whether it's a coin a bullet uh a sword

3908
02:37:45,830 --> 02:37:44,240
you're gonna find that stuff everywhere

3909
02:37:48,150 --> 02:37:45,840
that's that's what you do when you get a

3910
02:37:50,550 --> 02:37:48,160
metal detector you go to the beach

3911
02:37:52,389 --> 02:37:50,560
right so yeah and you get you know the

3912
02:37:54,469 --> 02:37:52,399
other the other thing is is that there

3913
02:37:56,870 --> 02:37:54,479
have been people living on on

3914
02:37:59,990 --> 02:37:56,880
those islands in mahome bay and around

3915
02:38:00,950 --> 02:38:00,000
the southern coast of nova scotia

3916
02:38:03,750 --> 02:38:00,960
for

3917
02:38:05,349 --> 02:38:03,760
since the early 1600s

3918
02:38:07,110 --> 02:38:05,359
and before that there were native

3919
02:38:09,830 --> 02:38:07,120
americans i mean i

3920
02:38:11,990 --> 02:38:09,840
you know you're gonna find stuff and you

3921
02:38:14,710 --> 02:38:12,000
know people live and die and get buried

3922
02:38:16,550 --> 02:38:14,720
on those islands so finding human

3923
02:38:18,710 --> 02:38:16,560
remains is

3924
02:38:20,309 --> 02:38:18,720
not a big deal um

3925
02:38:22,230 --> 02:38:20,319
so i don't know i mean you know what you

3926
02:38:25,030 --> 02:38:22,240
know i tell people i say look i'm not

3927
02:38:25,990 --> 02:38:25,040
here to you know to beat on these guys i

3928
02:38:29,429 --> 02:38:26,000
just

3929
02:38:31,429 --> 02:38:29,439
gonna tell them the truth i'm gonna tell

3930
02:38:33,030 --> 02:38:31,439
them what i really think based on the

3931
02:38:34,389 --> 02:38:33,040
information that i have and i have a lot

3932
02:38:35,990 --> 02:38:34,399
of information

3933
02:38:38,710 --> 02:38:36,000
and i just don't think there's anything

3934
02:38:40,710 --> 02:38:38,720
there but if you like the show and you

3935
02:38:43,190 --> 02:38:40,720
you enjoy the show watch the show and

3936
02:38:44,870 --> 02:38:43,200
enjoy this entertainment i mean knock

3937
02:38:48,469 --> 02:38:44,880
yourself out it's

3938
02:38:50,950 --> 02:38:48,479
it's not a crime it's it's you know

3939
02:38:53,110 --> 02:38:50,960
hey if i you know those two brothers are

3940
02:38:56,230 --> 02:38:53,120
are having a lot of fun right now i mean

3941
02:38:57,990 --> 02:38:56,240
i i'm making a lot of dough too well

3942
02:38:59,670 --> 02:38:58,000
that could be but yeah i'm a little

3943
02:39:03,110 --> 02:38:59,680
jealous i mean to be able to have the

3944
02:39:05,110 --> 02:39:03,120
resources to go there in the first place

3945
02:39:06,550 --> 02:39:05,120
you know listen

3946
02:39:07,750 --> 02:39:06,560
you got to give them credit they put

3947
02:39:08,870 --> 02:39:07,760
together

3948
02:39:10,710 --> 02:39:08,880
um

3949
02:39:12,309 --> 02:39:10,720
a very successful show one of the most

3950
02:39:13,830 --> 02:39:12,319
successful shows

3951
02:39:16,309 --> 02:39:13,840
i don't know what the numbers are but

3952
02:39:18,070 --> 02:39:16,319
it's obviously doing extremely well and

3953
02:39:20,150 --> 02:39:18,080
they're a big part of it i mean they

3954
02:39:22,550 --> 02:39:20,160
they are the face of that show

3955
02:39:24,150 --> 02:39:22,560
and it's it's doing extremely well and

3956
02:39:24,870 --> 02:39:24,160
they deserve a lot of credit good for

3957
02:39:27,429 --> 02:39:24,880
them

3958
02:39:28,630 --> 02:39:27,439
i was watching uh twitter right before

3959
02:39:31,590 --> 02:39:28,640
the show

3960
02:39:35,030 --> 02:39:31,600
uh tonight and it's pretty impressive to

3961
02:39:37,750 --> 02:39:35,040
me that this audience is obviously

3962
02:39:41,030 --> 02:39:37,760
watching that show because

3963
02:39:44,230 --> 02:39:41,040
immediately ask ask scott about the

3964
02:39:47,349 --> 02:39:44,240
the crossbow bolt that they just found

3965
02:39:50,469 --> 02:39:47,359
well that was on tonight's episode right

3966
02:39:53,110 --> 02:39:50,479
so it's like in real time

3967
02:39:55,110 --> 02:39:53,120
uh well last night last night oh was it

3968
02:39:57,830 --> 02:39:55,120
last night see i i don't watch the show

3969
02:39:59,750 --> 02:39:57,840
so i was playing football and i i

3970
02:40:01,510 --> 02:39:59,760
honestly i i i

3971
02:40:04,830 --> 02:40:01,520
if you ask me right now how many

3972
02:40:07,590 --> 02:40:04,840
episodes i've watched start to finish

3973
02:40:10,070 --> 02:40:07,600
probably three or four

3974
02:40:12,309 --> 02:40:10,080
i mean in the in the six this is season

3975
02:40:14,790 --> 02:40:12,319
six i've watched three or four episodes

3976
02:40:16,309 --> 02:40:14,800
i i personally i don't

3977
02:40:21,670 --> 02:40:16,319
i don't

3978
02:40:23,670 --> 02:40:21,680
interesting

3979
02:40:25,510 --> 02:40:23,680
it's not my cup of tea i mean i watch

3980
02:40:27,190 --> 02:40:25,520
shows i'm sure people can't stand they

3981
02:40:29,750 --> 02:40:27,200
don't like the shows i watch so that's

3982
02:40:33,110 --> 02:40:29,760
that's fine it's just not my cup of tea

3983
02:40:36,950 --> 02:40:33,120
the uh the interesting part for me when

3984
02:40:40,389 --> 02:40:36,960
it comes to oak island is because i

3985
02:40:42,150 --> 02:40:40,399
when i first got the internet and i'm

3986
02:40:45,510 --> 02:40:42,160
talking i'm you know let's go back to

3987
02:40:48,230 --> 02:40:45,520
1994 right oh okay yeah yeah and i jump

3988
02:40:51,110 --> 02:40:48,240
on the net and and there there are no

3989
02:40:53,750 --> 02:40:51,120
websites there isn't anything out there

3990
02:40:56,230 --> 02:40:53,760
well you know things were rare back then

3991
02:40:58,309 --> 02:40:56,240
and i found

3992
02:40:59,830 --> 02:40:58,319
the only

3993
02:41:02,070 --> 02:40:59,840
website

3994
02:41:05,030 --> 02:41:02,080
about oak island it was like two pages

3995
02:41:07,590 --> 02:41:05,040
right very simple web like oak island

3996
02:41:09,750 --> 02:41:07,600
what is this so i start to read about it

3997
02:41:11,590 --> 02:41:09,760
and then uh you know over the next

3998
02:41:13,830 --> 02:41:11,600
couple of years i'm

3999
02:41:16,710 --> 02:41:13,840
researching oak island that seems like

4000
02:41:19,590 --> 02:41:16,720
nobody knew about this this obscure

4001
02:41:20,469 --> 02:41:19,600
place you know up there in canada

4002
02:41:25,030 --> 02:41:20,479
and

4003
02:41:25,830 --> 02:41:25,040
think that back then

4004
02:41:27,110 --> 02:41:25,840
uh

4005
02:41:30,550 --> 02:41:27,120
certainly

4006
02:41:31,910 --> 02:41:30,560
uh the focus was on on pirate treasure i

4007
02:41:33,670 --> 02:41:31,920
don't think there was any mention of the

4008
02:41:36,630 --> 02:41:33,680
knights templar back then

4009
02:41:38,870 --> 02:41:36,640
but um it was a fascinating story going

4010
02:41:40,550 --> 02:41:38,880
back to the original version of the you

4011
02:41:42,870 --> 02:41:40,560
know the two kids

4012
02:41:44,630 --> 02:41:42,880
um and you know and going and getting

4013
02:41:46,070 --> 02:41:44,640
their family jumping back on the boat

4014
02:41:47,270 --> 02:41:46,080
bringing them back over and they start

4015
02:41:49,910 --> 02:41:47,280
digging and

4016
02:41:50,870 --> 02:41:49,920
and the the original version of the

4017
02:41:52,790 --> 02:41:50,880
story

4018
02:41:55,830 --> 02:41:52,800
and i've been fascinated with it ever

4019
02:41:56,630 --> 02:41:55,840
since and i would i would like to see it

4020
02:41:59,349 --> 02:41:56,640
get

4021
02:42:02,070 --> 02:41:59,359
resolved one way or the other and i

4022
02:42:03,910 --> 02:42:02,080
don't i don't i think it is resolved

4023
02:42:04,950 --> 02:42:03,920
i think it's been resolved for a long

4024
02:42:07,030 --> 02:42:04,960
time

4025
02:42:07,910 --> 02:42:07,040
i just don't know

4026
02:42:09,670 --> 02:42:07,920
when

4027
02:42:12,630 --> 02:42:09,680
and now i've looked at different

4028
02:42:14,469 --> 02:42:12,640
versions of the island over the years

4029
02:42:16,710 --> 02:42:14,479
you know the aerial shots

4030
02:42:19,750 --> 02:42:16,720
and at one point there was just nothing

4031
02:42:23,190 --> 02:42:19,760
there i mean they literally just have i

4032
02:42:24,830 --> 02:42:23,200
mean with with great damage yes yes yes

4033
02:42:27,270 --> 02:42:24,840
yes yeah

4034
02:42:29,190 --> 02:42:27,280
so wow yeah

4035
02:42:31,670 --> 02:42:29,200
you know i gotta say though jimmy and

4036
02:42:33,590 --> 02:42:31,680
and and i i've met you know danny

4037
02:42:34,790 --> 02:42:33,600
blankenship and the guys you know that

4038
02:42:37,510 --> 02:42:34,800
were there

4039
02:42:40,389 --> 02:42:37,520
when i went there with niven sinclair

4040
02:42:42,710 --> 02:42:40,399
i don't know several years 10 years ago

4041
02:42:45,830 --> 02:42:42,720
anyway um

4042
02:42:48,309 --> 02:42:45,840
so i i get the whole vibe there and the

4043
02:42:50,230 --> 02:42:48,319
the whole deal and

4044
02:42:53,510 --> 02:42:50,240
um

4045
02:42:56,469 --> 02:42:53,520
i you know i it's just it i think what

4046
02:42:58,550 --> 02:42:56,479
it is is i think human beings have

4047
02:43:01,830 --> 02:42:58,560
a treasure gene

4048
02:43:04,469 --> 02:43:01,840
and it's like as long as there's even

4049
02:43:07,270 --> 02:43:04,479
one tenth of one percent of a chance

4050
02:43:09,990 --> 02:43:07,280
that something could be found we we hang

4051
02:43:12,790 --> 02:43:10,000
in there we can't let it go it's like

4052
02:43:14,550 --> 02:43:12,800
the mystery of oh what could it be and

4053
02:43:16,309 --> 02:43:14,560
could this be the templar treasure or

4054
02:43:18,550 --> 02:43:16,319
could this be pirate treasure what is

4055
02:43:22,469 --> 02:43:18,560
the treasure i mean it's like we just

4056
02:43:24,230 --> 02:43:22,479
can't let it go it's just weird and

4057
02:43:26,070 --> 02:43:24,240
i don't know i just think it's a genetic

4058
02:43:29,590 --> 02:43:26,080
thing that's in us and

4059
02:43:31,990 --> 02:43:29,600
even when every you know your your

4060
02:43:34,550 --> 02:43:32,000
your thinking brain tells you

4061
02:43:37,590 --> 02:43:34,560
it's over it's not gonna happen

4062
02:43:39,510 --> 02:43:37,600
we just can't can't let go well i

4063
02:43:42,870 --> 02:43:39,520
remember what it is i remember going

4064
02:43:45,510 --> 02:43:42,880
back a couple of years ago or longer you

4065
02:43:49,030 --> 02:43:45,520
and i did a show about

4066
02:43:50,469 --> 02:43:49,040
uh you know deciphering of the map and

4067
02:43:51,429 --> 02:43:50,479
you

4068
02:43:54,790 --> 02:43:51,439
uh

4069
02:43:57,349 --> 02:43:54,800
you your location for any possibility of

4070
02:43:58,309 --> 02:43:57,359
anything templar going on up there

4071
02:44:00,870 --> 02:43:58,319
uh

4072
02:44:03,750 --> 02:44:00,880
was wasn't anywhere near the island but

4073
02:44:05,750 --> 02:44:03,760
you did have a location

4074
02:44:07,750 --> 02:44:05,760
yeah

4075
02:44:09,429 --> 02:44:07,760
more than one look here's the other

4076
02:44:11,269 --> 02:44:09,439
thing i'll just tell you this i really

4077
02:44:12,950 --> 02:44:11,279
don't want to get into too many details

4078
02:44:15,030 --> 02:44:12,960
of what's coming

4079
02:44:17,429 --> 02:44:15,040
but i will tell you this

4080
02:44:21,030 --> 02:44:17,439
the templars would never

4081
02:44:22,790 --> 02:44:21,040
put all their eggs in one basket okay

4082
02:44:25,510 --> 02:44:22,800
anybody who thinks they're gonna find

4083
02:44:27,510 --> 02:44:25,520
the templar treasure

4084
02:44:30,150 --> 02:44:27,520
it doesn't work that way they spread

4085
02:44:31,750 --> 02:44:30,160
things around

4086
02:44:33,190 --> 02:44:31,760
they're not dumb they they're just

4087
02:44:34,790 --> 02:44:33,200
they're just not

4088
02:44:37,349 --> 02:44:34,800
nobody would do that here's the other

4089
02:44:39,830 --> 02:44:37,359
thing let me also just say this jim

4090
02:44:42,070 --> 02:44:39,840
okay so how deep have they dug down on

4091
02:44:43,190 --> 02:44:42,080
oak island now they're like i've heard

4092
02:44:47,269 --> 02:44:43,200
numbers like

4093
02:44:49,349 --> 02:44:47,279
over 200 feet 200 yeah okay

4094
02:44:50,230 --> 02:44:49,359
so let me ask you a question

4095
02:44:52,309 --> 02:44:50,240
if

4096
02:44:54,230 --> 02:44:52,319
you have a treasure

4097
02:44:58,469 --> 02:44:54,240
and you go out in the woods and you bury

4098
02:45:02,950 --> 02:45:00,630
but you don't know where it is or i

4099
02:45:05,349 --> 02:45:02,960
don't know where it is okay

4100
02:45:08,790 --> 02:45:05,359
does it matter if you bury it one foot

4101
02:45:11,269 --> 02:45:08,800
ten feet or a thousand feet nope

4102
02:45:13,269 --> 02:45:11,279
because if i don't know where it is

4103
02:45:15,590 --> 02:45:13,279
i'm not going to find it right

4104
02:45:18,309 --> 02:45:15,600
on the other hand

4105
02:45:21,190 --> 02:45:18,319
if i do know where it is

4106
02:45:24,309 --> 02:45:23,190
potentially billions of dollars let's

4107
02:45:26,630 --> 02:45:24,319
say

4108
02:45:29,590 --> 02:45:26,640
do you think if i'm the church or i'm a

4109
02:45:32,230 --> 02:45:29,600
government or i'm somebody who's

4110
02:45:35,670 --> 02:45:32,240
got the means that i care if it's one

4111
02:45:36,950 --> 02:45:35,680
foot 10 feet or 100 feet or 200 feet

4112
02:45:37,990 --> 02:45:36,960
if i know where it is i'm going to get

4113
02:45:39,670 --> 02:45:38,000
it

4114
02:45:40,710 --> 02:45:39,680
so the point is why would you bury

4115
02:45:42,710 --> 02:45:40,720
something

4116
02:45:44,950 --> 02:45:42,720
that deep

4117
02:45:46,630 --> 02:45:44,960
no one's going to do that on a glacial

4118
02:45:49,670 --> 02:45:46,640
and moraine island

4119
02:45:51,110 --> 02:45:49,680
on the ocean okay this whole talk about

4120
02:45:53,590 --> 02:45:51,120
flood tunnels

4121
02:45:55,990 --> 02:45:53,600
it's called the water table

4122
02:45:57,030 --> 02:45:56,000
if you dig down below the level of the

4123
02:45:59,670 --> 02:45:57,040
ocean

4124
02:46:01,830 --> 02:45:59,680
water's going to flow in

4125
02:46:04,469 --> 02:46:01,840
there's no evidence that there was flood

4126
02:46:05,269 --> 02:46:04,479
tunnels that's a bunch of bs

4127
02:46:07,110 --> 02:46:05,279
there's

4128
02:46:09,750 --> 02:46:07,120
this nine level stuff

4129
02:46:11,990 --> 02:46:09,760
i saw no evidence of that this 90-foot

4130
02:46:14,230 --> 02:46:12,000
stone i don't think it ever existed i

4131
02:46:15,830 --> 02:46:14,240
think that's a complete myth

4132
02:46:17,429 --> 02:46:15,840
and until somebody because that's what i

4133
02:46:19,590 --> 02:46:17,439
was looking for i wanted to see that i

4134
02:46:21,030 --> 02:46:19,600
want to look at the inscribed symbols on

4135
02:46:24,469 --> 02:46:21,040
it i want to see if it had weathering

4136
02:46:26,550 --> 02:46:24,479
you know do the thing that i do i think

4137
02:46:28,389 --> 02:46:26,560
most of this stuff that everybody just

4138
02:46:31,670 --> 02:46:28,399
accepts as fact

4139
02:46:34,230 --> 02:46:31,680
is a myth i don't think any of it exists

4140
02:46:36,150 --> 02:46:34,240
geologically it makes no sense

4141
02:46:39,269 --> 02:46:36,160
the technology the templars had back at

4142
02:46:41,190 --> 02:46:39,279
that time to go down 10 feet under the

4143
02:46:42,710 --> 02:46:41,200
water maybe why

4144
02:46:44,309 --> 02:46:42,720
if you're buried at the ground and they

4145
02:46:46,150 --> 02:46:44,319
didn't have metal detectors back then

4146
02:46:47,830 --> 02:46:46,160
how was somebody gonna you had no reason

4147
02:46:50,790 --> 02:46:47,840
to bury it that deep

4148
02:46:51,590 --> 02:46:50,800
it's just none of it makes any sense

4149
02:46:57,429 --> 02:46:51,600
the

4150
02:47:00,710 --> 02:46:57,439
obvious thing to say and my mind always

4151
02:47:04,550 --> 02:47:00,720
went here you go back in your mind's eye

4152
02:47:07,590 --> 02:47:04,560
to 250 years ago and the resources that

4153
02:47:08,710 --> 02:47:07,600
were on some ship that pulled up to the

4154
02:47:12,710 --> 02:47:08,720
island

4155
02:47:14,670 --> 02:47:12,720
uh shovels is one thing but the ability

4156
02:47:19,190 --> 02:47:14,680
to dig

4157
02:47:21,910 --> 02:47:19,200
250 feet 200 feet into the ground i i

4158
02:47:24,870 --> 02:47:21,920
just don't see it by anybody underwater

4159
02:47:27,190 --> 02:47:24,880
right by anybody anywhere you know what

4160
02:47:30,070 --> 02:47:27,200
ain't happening dude didn't happen

4161
02:47:33,030 --> 02:47:30,080
forget about it it didn't happen i mean

4162
02:47:34,870 --> 02:47:33,040
it didn't happen 250 years ago and it

4163
02:47:36,710 --> 02:47:34,880
sure as hell didn't happen

4164
02:47:38,550 --> 02:47:36,720
600 years ago when the templars were

4165
02:47:41,110 --> 02:47:38,560
here forget it it's just it's a

4166
02:47:43,830 --> 02:47:41,120
non-starter didn't happen right yeah i

4167
02:47:44,710 --> 02:47:43,840
mean that is

4168
02:47:47,349 --> 02:47:44,720
if

4169
02:47:49,030 --> 02:47:47,359
egypt right a 300 foot tunnel underneath

4170
02:47:51,030 --> 02:47:49,040
the great pyramid

4171
02:47:53,030 --> 02:47:51,040
okay through rock

4172
02:47:55,510 --> 02:47:53,040
well let's let's think about that for a

4173
02:47:58,150 --> 02:47:55,520
second we're talking about a potential

4174
02:48:04,389 --> 02:47:58,160
work crew above ground of ten or fifteen

4175
02:48:09,110 --> 02:48:06,630
it's a limestone it's about the easiest

4176
02:48:12,389 --> 02:48:09,120
rock you can carve in that's what i mean

4177
02:48:14,230 --> 02:48:12,399
tunnel systems are are easy in limestone

4178
02:48:16,150 --> 02:48:14,240
i mean relatively easy i'm sure it would

4179
02:48:17,830 --> 02:48:16,160
take some work but that's a whole

4180
02:48:19,670 --> 02:48:17,840
different thing right that's a

4181
02:48:22,389 --> 02:48:19,680
completely different thing where it's

4182
02:48:24,230 --> 02:48:22,399
it's not under water no it's

4183
02:48:26,870 --> 02:48:24,240
every that's just and you have

4184
02:48:29,429 --> 02:48:26,880
infrastructure you have a support system

4185
02:48:31,750 --> 02:48:29,439
you have food you have things

4186
02:48:33,990 --> 02:48:31,760
and a large work crew

4187
02:48:36,710 --> 02:48:34,000
we're talking about a boat right that

4188
02:48:38,070 --> 02:48:36,720
just came across the ocean with a with a

4189
02:48:40,469 --> 02:48:38,080
small crew

4190
02:48:42,550 --> 02:48:40,479
probably not a lot of it's they only

4191
02:48:45,110 --> 02:48:42,560
have what they have with them

4192
02:48:49,429 --> 02:48:45,120
and the ability to turn around and bore

4193
02:48:52,230 --> 02:48:49,439
a tunnel 250 dead no i it i have a

4194
02:48:54,469 --> 02:48:52,240
problem with that now it doesn't pass

4195
02:48:57,190 --> 02:48:54,479
the smell test it doesn't pass

4196
02:48:59,190 --> 02:48:57,200
any logical analysis it doesn't it's

4197
02:49:01,349 --> 02:48:59,200
just it didn't happen i'm sorry it just

4198
02:49:02,950 --> 02:49:01,359
didn't and i know that a lot of people

4199
02:49:05,030 --> 02:49:02,960
are going to be disappointed but i i

4200
02:49:06,710 --> 02:49:05,040
what do you want from me you want you

4201
02:49:08,550 --> 02:49:06,720
don't ask the question if you don't want

4202
02:49:12,070 --> 02:49:08,560
to if you don't want to get the right

4203
02:49:14,389 --> 02:49:12,080
the answer i mean i wanted to be true i

4204
02:49:16,870 --> 02:49:14,399
love it it'd be great i love it i'd love

4205
02:49:19,190 --> 02:49:16,880
to see them get their dream and and i'd

4206
02:49:21,110 --> 02:49:19,200
love to see what they find i i just know

4207
02:49:22,550 --> 02:49:21,120
it's not templar treasure there could be

4208
02:49:24,870 --> 02:49:22,560
something there there could be something

4209
02:49:26,630 --> 02:49:24,880
else maybe some but you know what isn't

4210
02:49:28,150 --> 02:49:26,640
the story these guys dug and they found

4211
02:49:30,790 --> 02:49:28,160
it didn't they find it already i mean i

4212
02:49:31,670 --> 02:49:30,800
thought i thought that was the story

4213
02:49:33,750 --> 02:49:31,680
well

4214
02:49:37,510 --> 02:49:33,760
this is what i would do

4215
02:49:38,550 --> 02:49:37,520
kind of money

4216
02:49:41,349 --> 02:49:38,560
right

4217
02:49:44,870 --> 02:49:41,359
it's and i'm not kidding i would pull up

4218
02:49:47,269 --> 02:49:44,880
and i would just move the island

4219
02:49:49,990 --> 02:49:47,279
i would take it i would dredge it i'm

4220
02:49:53,590 --> 02:49:50,000
serious too i would take it i would

4221
02:49:56,230 --> 02:49:53,600
surround it with a a a barrier some kind

4222
02:49:58,230 --> 02:49:56,240
of inflate and you know it's some kind

4223
02:50:01,750 --> 02:49:58,240
of you know i would surround it with

4224
02:50:03,990 --> 02:50:01,760
plastic i would take the island dredge

4225
02:50:05,830 --> 02:50:04,000
it move it

4226
02:50:07,030 --> 02:50:05,840
10 feet over

4227
02:50:09,030 --> 02:50:07,040
that would just

4228
02:50:10,950 --> 02:50:09,040
would i i you know what you're saying

4229
02:50:12,150 --> 02:50:10,960
makes perfect sense but you bring up an

4230
02:50:14,710 --> 02:50:12,160
interesting point that we haven't

4231
02:50:16,389 --> 02:50:14,720
touched on and nobody ever talks about

4232
02:50:18,389 --> 02:50:16,399
okay

4233
02:50:21,670 --> 02:50:18,399
even the brothers

4234
02:50:23,190 --> 02:50:21,680
and the production company in real life

4235
02:50:24,870 --> 02:50:23,200
making that show

4236
02:50:25,750 --> 02:50:24,880
there are only certain things that they

4237
02:50:27,830 --> 02:50:25,760
can do

4238
02:50:29,910 --> 02:50:27,840
okay the canadian government is not

4239
02:50:31,110 --> 02:50:29,920
going to let them do what you just would

4240
02:50:34,309 --> 02:50:31,120
love to do

4241
02:50:36,550 --> 02:50:34,319
and in fact a lot of the things

4242
02:50:38,230 --> 02:50:36,560
that they say they're doing on that show

4243
02:50:40,230 --> 02:50:38,240
i don't believe is really happening

4244
02:50:41,830 --> 02:50:40,240
because i don't think the regulations

4245
02:50:43,190 --> 02:50:41,840
environmental res

4246
02:50:45,110 --> 02:50:43,200
regulations

4247
02:50:46,630 --> 02:50:45,120
and the government would allow them to

4248
02:50:48,550 --> 02:50:46,640
do some of the things that they say that

4249
02:50:51,030 --> 02:50:48,560
they're doing i just don't i don't see

4250
02:50:51,990 --> 02:50:51,040
it happening so

4251
02:50:54,469 --> 02:50:52,000
you know

4252
02:50:56,710 --> 02:50:54,479
you can't just move an island 10 feet

4253
02:50:58,710 --> 02:50:56,720
over unless you buy it it's yours even

4254
02:51:00,550 --> 02:50:58,720
if you buy it it's yours the government

4255
02:51:02,870 --> 02:51:00,560
still has a say over what happens you've

4256
02:51:04,630 --> 02:51:02,880
got you know wildlife considerations

4257
02:51:05,510 --> 02:51:04,640
you've got pollution considerations

4258
02:51:07,510 --> 02:51:05,520
you've got

4259
02:51:10,070 --> 02:51:07,520
i mean there's all kinds of stuff that

4260
02:51:12,150 --> 02:51:10,080
that you just can't do even if it's your

4261
02:51:13,990 --> 02:51:12,160
own property you can't do it can't dump

4262
02:51:15,990 --> 02:51:14,000
out oil and gasoline

4263
02:51:18,710 --> 02:51:16,000
you know in the ground right we can't do

4264
02:51:20,070 --> 02:51:18,720
that against the law so there's there's

4265
02:51:22,230 --> 02:51:20,080
all kinds of and then you've got

4266
02:51:23,990 --> 02:51:22,240
antiquity laws you've got

4267
02:51:27,590 --> 02:51:24,000
i mean if they find

4268
02:51:29,269 --> 02:51:27,600
an artifact that's really that old

4269
02:51:31,030 --> 02:51:29,279
the government will come in they'll shut

4270
02:51:33,110 --> 02:51:31,040
that thing down and they will turn it

4271
02:51:35,830 --> 02:51:33,120
over to the archaeologists the proper

4272
02:51:40,469 --> 02:51:35,840
authorities and that's it's over

4273
02:51:43,190 --> 02:51:40,479
so i i i there's just it's just

4274
02:51:46,550 --> 02:51:43,200
a tv show yeah

4275
02:51:50,070 --> 02:51:46,560
i wanted to be real scott i do i i've

4276
02:51:53,910 --> 02:51:50,080
been i've got like 25 years invested

4277
02:51:57,269 --> 02:51:53,920
into oak island right i really do i mean

4278
02:51:59,269 --> 02:51:57,279
like i said it goes back that far for me

4279
02:52:02,550 --> 02:51:59,279
when i brought up oak island to my

4280
02:52:04,469 --> 02:52:02,560
friends back in in 94 95 nobody had ever

4281
02:52:06,389 --> 02:52:04,479
heard of it and i'm like no you gotta

4282
02:52:07,990 --> 02:52:06,399
check this out you know and

4283
02:52:09,349 --> 02:52:08,000
i would uh

4284
02:52:10,230 --> 02:52:09,359
show them

4285
02:52:12,070 --> 02:52:10,240
jim

4286
02:52:15,990 --> 02:52:12,080
you know when i was a little kid i

4287
02:52:18,870 --> 02:52:16,000
believed in santa claus oh scott okay

4288
02:52:22,550 --> 02:52:18,880
all right that was mean i'm sorry i'm

4289
02:52:24,710 --> 02:52:22,560
sorry why would i try to crush your 25

4290
02:52:26,550 --> 02:52:24,720
year old your 25-year dream i you know

4291
02:52:28,469 --> 02:52:26,560
what that was inappropriate i'm sorry

4292
02:52:30,550 --> 02:52:28,479
okay scott but what are you saying santa

4293
02:52:32,550 --> 02:52:30,560
claus isn't real are you doing that to

4294
02:52:34,309 --> 02:52:32,560
me too i don't want to go there okay all

4295
02:52:37,110 --> 02:52:34,319
right that was bad that was a bad

4296
02:52:38,790 --> 02:52:37,120
analogy no no all right when's that

4297
02:52:40,469 --> 02:52:38,800
when's the new book coming out when can

4298
02:52:42,950 --> 02:52:40,479
we expect it

4299
02:52:45,750 --> 02:52:42,960
well i i think

4300
02:52:47,429 --> 02:52:45,760
the way it's scheduled right now

4301
02:52:49,030 --> 02:52:47,439
probably

4302
02:52:51,030 --> 02:52:49,040
i would love to say

4303
02:52:53,269 --> 02:52:51,040
right around may

4304
02:52:54,550 --> 02:52:53,279
first of may something like that

4305
02:52:56,550 --> 02:52:54,560
and i think i think you're going to

4306
02:52:58,150 --> 02:52:56,560
really like this book i put a lot into

4307
02:52:59,510 --> 02:52:58,160
this we've got some

4308
02:53:01,590 --> 02:52:59,520
amazing

4309
02:53:03,670 --> 02:53:01,600
reveals that are going to come out i

4310
02:53:04,790 --> 02:53:03,680
talk at length about the cremona

4311
02:53:06,870 --> 02:53:04,800
document

4312
02:53:09,269 --> 02:53:06,880
i do not talk at all about the journals

4313
02:53:12,150 --> 02:53:09,279
in this book because it's almost 350

4314
02:53:13,910 --> 02:53:12,160
pages as it is right now

4315
02:53:16,389 --> 02:53:13,920
so i'm going to save that for the next

4316
02:53:18,309 --> 02:53:16,399
one and you know we're not going to you

4317
02:53:19,429 --> 02:53:18,319
know diana's not going to hurry and

4318
02:53:21,750 --> 02:53:19,439
release

4319
02:53:24,550 --> 02:53:21,760
these journals because there is so much

4320
02:53:25,990 --> 02:53:24,560
to unpack in them just this first book

4321
02:53:28,710 --> 02:53:26,000
alone

4322
02:53:29,830 --> 02:53:28,720
covers you know 42 years of his life i

4323
02:53:32,309 --> 02:53:29,840
think

4324
02:53:33,750 --> 02:53:32,319
and there's there's a lot of entries in

4325
02:53:35,830 --> 02:53:33,760
there there are a lot of things that

4326
02:53:37,910 --> 02:53:35,840
happen i mean the kensington party being

4327
02:53:40,389 --> 02:53:37,920
revealed and there's more to the

4328
02:53:43,510 --> 02:53:40,399
kensington party in the next couple but

4329
02:53:45,030 --> 02:53:43,520
there is this is such a big important

4330
02:53:47,269 --> 02:53:45,040
story

4331
02:53:49,510 --> 02:53:47,279
um it's going to take a little time for

4332
02:53:51,750 --> 02:53:49,520
it to come out and

4333
02:53:53,750 --> 02:53:51,760
i all i can tell you is you will not be

4334
02:53:55,510 --> 02:53:53,760
disappointed and we are going to be

4335
02:53:57,670 --> 02:53:55,520
doing some follow-up on some of the

4336
02:53:59,190 --> 02:53:57,680
things that are not published yet

4337
02:54:03,269 --> 02:53:59,200
and

4338
02:54:05,269 --> 02:54:03,279
if uh if we find something

4339
02:54:08,309 --> 02:54:05,279
it'll be worldwide news

4340
02:54:10,710 --> 02:54:08,319
they can't deny it look the the skeptics

4341
02:54:13,349 --> 02:54:10,720
the debunkers the deniers

4342
02:54:15,830 --> 02:54:13,359
that all say this is bs

4343
02:54:17,990 --> 02:54:15,840
one of the complaints they have is

4344
02:54:19,269 --> 02:54:18,000
um we need to see something come out of

4345
02:54:21,269 --> 02:54:19,279
the ground

4346
02:54:22,790 --> 02:54:21,279
well

4347
02:54:25,750 --> 02:54:22,800
i'm hopeful that'll happen let's just

4348
02:54:27,590 --> 02:54:25,760
leave it at that and if it does

4349
02:54:30,150 --> 02:54:27,600
we're gonna have a party jimmy i can't

4350
02:54:35,030 --> 02:54:30,160
wait for it no no i can't wait for it

4351
02:54:36,710 --> 02:54:35,040
and with uh with diana's uh book two is

4352
02:54:39,670 --> 02:54:36,720
i know that there's 20 journals there's

4353
02:54:42,870 --> 02:54:39,680
20 books here is there going to be a

4354
02:54:46,230 --> 02:54:42,880
second book from her in 2019

4355
02:54:48,790 --> 02:54:46,240
yes and and maybe more well i'm not sure

4356
02:54:51,429 --> 02:54:48,800
kind of depends on how things go but

4357
02:54:54,150 --> 02:54:51,439
uh what i'm i'm thinking

4358
02:54:57,510 --> 02:54:54,160
she might do is

4359
02:55:01,269 --> 02:54:57,520
the next earl henry wrote three books

4360
02:55:04,550 --> 02:55:01,279
this is the first one the next two

4361
02:55:07,830 --> 02:55:04,560
uh are about his trips over here

4362
02:55:09,990 --> 02:55:07,840
and they are incredible and i think

4363
02:55:11,110 --> 02:55:10,000
maybe those two books would be the next

4364
02:55:12,550 --> 02:55:11,120
logical

4365
02:55:14,469 --> 02:55:12,560
book

4366
02:55:17,190 --> 02:55:14,479
uh and there's just so much in there

4367
02:55:19,510 --> 02:55:17,200
that is so good that will dovetail with

4368
02:55:21,750 --> 02:55:19,520
things we've already talked about that

4369
02:55:23,269 --> 02:55:21,760
we're not talking about right now

4370
02:55:24,070 --> 02:55:23,279
um

4371
02:55:28,790 --> 02:55:24,080
it's

4372
02:55:30,950 --> 02:55:28,800
that's all i can say the next book will

4373
02:55:32,630 --> 02:55:30,960
be really good this book is great but

4374
02:55:35,110 --> 02:55:32,640
the next one

4375
02:55:37,349 --> 02:55:36,550
it's it's

4376
02:55:43,190 --> 02:55:37,359
it's

4377
02:55:46,389 --> 02:55:43,200
and again i'm always going to preface it

4378
02:55:48,870 --> 02:55:46,399
by saying i'm 99 convinced the story's

4379
02:55:50,550 --> 02:55:48,880
true i'll be a hundred percent there

4380
02:55:52,950 --> 02:55:50,560
when we pull something out of the ground

4381
02:55:54,870 --> 02:55:52,960
and we have lots of targets

4382
02:55:56,950 --> 02:55:54,880
and we're going to start on them very

4383
02:55:59,190 --> 02:55:56,960
soon thank you so much scott give my

4384
02:56:01,510 --> 02:55:59,200
best to jan get some rest

4385
02:56:02,389 --> 02:56:01,520
and we will talk very soon thank you so

4386
02:56:04,710 --> 02:56:02,399
much

4387
02:56:06,710 --> 02:56:04,720
jimmy thank you for having me on it's so

4388
02:56:08,790 --> 02:56:06,720
much fun i feel like i feel like i'm

4389
02:56:11,349 --> 02:56:08,800
sitting in a room right next to it it's

4390
02:56:13,910 --> 02:56:11,359
uh you do a great job and i i appreciate

4391
02:56:15,269 --> 02:56:13,920
the opportunity by the way if you get a

4392
02:56:16,950 --> 02:56:15,279
chance

4393
02:56:18,469 --> 02:56:16,960
i sent you an email if people are

4394
02:56:20,309 --> 02:56:18,479
interested in the book there's a link

4395
02:56:21,590 --> 02:56:20,319
there and of course if anybody's

4396
02:56:24,230 --> 02:56:21,600
interested in my stuff go to

4397
02:56:25,190 --> 02:56:24,240
www.hookdecks.com

4398
02:56:27,190 --> 02:56:25,200
and

4399
02:56:28,990 --> 02:56:27,200
thank you again appreciate it we've got

4400
02:56:30,790 --> 02:56:29,000
everything up right there at

4401
02:56:31,910 --> 02:56:30,800
jimmychurchradio.com thank you so much

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scott

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all right we'll chat soon pal oh we've

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got more to talk about and i'll announce

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that next week okay thank you so much

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all right sounds great thanks jimmy have

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a good night

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all right you too scott walter yes scott

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walter

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answers.blogspot.com the links are over

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at

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jimmychurchradio.com and of course

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hookedx.com scott walter what a great

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this is a show i know everybody's going

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to be listening to a couple of times but

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a lot of information tonight

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and over at scott walter answers uh

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there's some great images too as well

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there the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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and with that i'm going to get out of

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here tomorrow night is fader night

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uh it's going to be open lines all night

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long like we do every thursday night

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teresa yaneras is going to be here with

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a divine frequency on the airwaves

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followed by open lines

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all night long i am your host jimmy

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church thank you to everybody that

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tweeted in tonight and uh just great

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stuff great email too as well thank you

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for all of that faded black's executive

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producer is rita kamarian shows produced

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by hill j palm renee dennis and bob

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announcers are steve harder gene vettel

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mark d kovar webmaster is drew the geek

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music doug aldrich intro spaceboy

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spaceboymusic.com

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beta black is produced by kjcr for the

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game changer network and syndication is

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kgra

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the planet thank you to scott walter

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it's broadcast owning copyrighted 2018

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by fade to black in the game changer

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network it cannot be re-broadcast

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downloaded copied or used anywhere in

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the known universe without written

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permission from fade to black of the

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game changer network i'm your host jimmy

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church follow me on twitter at j church

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radio you can follow scott

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02:58:25,670 --> 02:58:22,000
scott walter on twitter until tomorrow

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night fader night everybody be safe

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go backly tappy

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[Music]

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[Applause]